October 2013 - PSDR - mailman.hamwan.org

Anyone feel like helping @ Baldi this Saturday?
by Bart Kus 25 Oct '13

25 Oct '13

Hello, We've got a little bit of work (2.5 hours) for HamWAN @ Baldi this Saturday. If you'd like to help, please let me know. --Bart

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Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Getting a Copy of Bart's 2013 Summer Gathering Presentation
by Bob Stephens 24 Oct '13

24 Oct '13

Bart, did you ever post your presentation from Summer Gathering? Thanks. 73 de AF9W Bob Stephens

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Fwd: [44net] ON7LR Contest Cam
by Tom Hayward 24 Oct '13

24 Oct '13

Occasionally I have been asked what HamWAN is useful for. Here's a good example from some guys running a similar 5 GHz network in Europe. Tom KD7LXL ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Robbie De Lise" <robbie.delise(a)gmail.com> Date: Oct 24, 2013 5:38 AM Subject: [44net] ON7LR Contest Cam To: "AMPRNet working group" <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> Cc: (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Dr. Om's, We will be running a camserver on http://44.144.10.45/ this weekend for the CQ.WW contest, with camera's in all the shacks of the ON7LR contest station http://www.on7lr.org/ in Lier Belgium The cam server is located at the contest station, where the shacks are connected with a mixture of network cabling and 5ghz wifi links. The contest station itself is linked via a 5ghz wifi link to another node in Antwerp, 20km away, which in turn is linked over 5ghz to the Antwerp Datacenter. Here we link to the fiberbackbone of a commercial ISP and have an ipip tunnel to HamNet in Germany for AMPR connectivity. We also announce this 44 subnet to the internet, so its possible to view these cams over the public internet, even if you are not connected to AMPRnet. I just wanted to share since this is the first time we are doing this over AMPRnet :) 73s Robbie ON4SAX _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net http://www.ampr.org/donate.html

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Who has short clean LoS to Cougar?
by Bart Kus 16 Oct '13

16 Oct '13

Hi all, Is there anyone on list who lives close to Cougar and has a clean line of sight to it? Issaquah highlands, Sammamish plateau, etc? I'm looking for a volunteer to point some equipment @ Cougar towers from a nearby ground location. We'll leave it installed for 2-4 weeks to run the experiment. Oh, and the experiment has to do with scatter communications, utilizing radio towers as reflectors. You'll get a 30dBi dish and a 10W 6GHz amplifier for a whopping 10kW EIRP. It'll send out beacons with your callsign, and we'll try to pick them up around the Puget Sound. Fun times! Let me know if you can help, --Bart

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NetOps: Please disable recursive DNS on all routers
by Bart Kus 16 Oct '13

16 Oct '13

Hi, HamWAN has been used as a DNS amplifier in a DDoS attack. I'm tied up with acquiring some chip fab gear the next couple days (yay!). Can I ask you guys with net ops access to go through the whole network and disable DNS service everywhere? Example of problem: eo@jo ~ $ dig @44.24.240.133 google.com. A +recurse ; <<>> DiG 9.9.2 <<>> @44.24.240.133 google.com. A +recurse ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 65363 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 11, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;google.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.70 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.66 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.69 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.65 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.68 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.72 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.73 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.64 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.71 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.67 google.com. 300 IN A 173.194.33.78 ;; Query time: 51 msec ;; SERVER: 44.24.240.133#53(44.24.240.133) ;; WHEN: Sat Oct 12 22:56:37 2013 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 204 PS: We gotta get some automation up in here for config control. --Bart

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Fwd: Baldi this Sunday
by Jason Hill 16 Oct '13

16 Oct '13

Hello All, My name is Jason Hill(kd7tqn) I am new to the group and I am looking for a little help. As you can see from the conversation below, I am trying to get a connection to hamwan for a receiver project I have going on up in another building up on baldi mountain. Bart suggested that I email the group as I will be joining the work party this Sunday and I am looking for someone with a Spectrum Analyzer that operates in the VHF band to help me identify some intermod issues I am having with my receivers. If anyone who would be willing to provide some assistance to me, I would be greatly appreciative. thanks so much. Jason ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bart Kus <me(a)bartk.us> Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Baldi this Sunday To: Jason Hill <jason(a)pnwrr.com> I do have such spec ans, but they're really heavy and awkward to move. I suspect someone else in the group might have ones that don't quite go to 22GHz, but do fulfill your needs. Might wanna hit up the mailing list for a specan request. If noone else can make it happen, I'm gonna ask your help in moving my massive heavy units. Do you have a vehicle that can make it up Baldi while carrying 160lbs of specan? You'll also need a VHF antenna. Maybe someone just has a VHF SDR? That should do nicely. --Bart On 10/16/2013 01:43 PM, Jason Hill wrote: OK, Sounds good. I will meet you guys there. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that will monitor in the VHF band? I am having some intermod issues with my project up there and I would like to find out what is near the freqs im monitoring that could be causing issues. Jason On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Bart Kus <me(a)bartk.us> wrote: > We'll be meeting @ the Enumclaw McD's @ 10:30AM. > > --Bart > > > > On 10/16/2013 01:38 PM, Jason Hill wrote: > > Bart, > That would be awesome. Do you guys have a time line of when you will be up > there? > > thanks, Jason > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Bart Kus <me(a)bartk.us> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Bart from HamWAN here (EO_). We plan to be up @ Baldi this Sunday to >> finish some cable clamps + install a server. You're welcome to meet us >> there and we can have assistance on-site after we're done our part to do >> your client. >> >> --Bart >> >> > > >

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Success!
by Rob Salsgiver 13 Oct '13

13 Oct '13

Today one of the things going on in "HamWAN Land" today was a link test from Providence Colby Hospital to the site at SnoCounty DEM at Paine Field. All initial propagation maps and other research suggested that it should essentially be a "no brainer" install and link, and the short version is that it was! A big thanks to Dave Williamson (WA7DGW) for coming along to help, and to Bart (AE7SJ) for "tagging along" to look over our shoulders. I'll leave any technical corrections to Bart, but the layman's version follows: After resolving a couple obvious faux-pas on my part and correcting one "undocumented configuration" issue due to a unique temporary network setup issue at the Paine site, the modem came online immediately after the config was tweaked. A few minutes later and the dish was peaked with a signal level of -46 to -47. RF link throughput testing netted us 9.6Mbit down and 10.4 up - nice! A few more clicks and tweaks and we were looking at Google and Youtube videos on the netbook. All in all, a VERY nice attempt with VERY good results. We decided to attempt a shot from Valley General hospital in Monroe, but what looked like a workable ground-level path on Google Earth turned out to be otherwise once we were onsite. After a brief walk-around we agreed that a roof-shot from the hospital would very likely succeed. We will work with getting access to the facility to confirm this in the coming week or two. There's a lot more I could bore everyone with, but suffice it to say it was a good day. The next step is to setup a meeting to introduce the administration at Providence to the capabilities of HamWAN and our testing results. There is potentially more but we will proceed one step at a time. Thanks to all who have worked so hard over the summer and contributed to the build-out of the HamWAN core. Your efforts definitely showed today. Cheers, Rob Salsgiver - NR3O

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other client setup notes
by Rob Salsgiver 06 Oct '13

06 Oct '13

Other Wiki changes: Section 10 - configuring modem callsign and location /interface wiress - > SHOULD BE -- > /interface wireless Section 11 - configuring wireless card to use HamWAN The note regarding "scan-list" parameter. This is definitely a bug. I stayed in the terminal session and went to the WinBOX menu, set the scan-list parameter, and after hitting "apply", the router booted me out. Was able to sign back in and confirm the parameter was saved, and continued on. Cheers, Rob

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routerOS update issue
by Rob Salsgiver 06 Oct '13

06 Oct '13

Greetings all, Just a quick update to the Wiki. Tonight I was following the client setup instructions and pretty much blew by the fact that for some reason my routerOS did not update when I did the drag and drop with the v6.4 OS file. After fiddling with it for a while, I found that every time I did a "drag and drop" of the .npk file onto WinBox, it would start the file copy then abort and close the router connection. After multiple attempts and downloads, I finally signed into the router via command line FTP and was able to successfully upload it and the router updated normally. The OS that shipped on my metal was 5.24. After updating, the next WinBOX connection downloaded a new WinBox copy and all started off fine business. As an aside, I had gotten all the way down to the "importing ssh keys" portion of the document and could not get the "osburn" key to import. That was when I finally started back-tracking and found that the OS hadn't upgraded as expected. After upgrading, the "osburn" key would still not import, so if anyone has suggestions on that one, let me know. Cheers, Rob

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HamWAN Lab expansion + garage sale
by Bart Kus 05 Oct '13

05 Oct '13

Hello, _*HamWAN Lab Garage Sale Items*_ 1. I've managed to bring back to life an HP 8757A I've had for 6 months in a non-working state. Did it last night actually. I'll be selling this on eBay since it's been obsoleted by another item, so if anyone local is interested in it, let me know. 2. Also managed to verify function of a 10MHz-26.5GHz detector (HP 85025B) that I picked up 7 months ago. It actually works! I'll be selling this too (works with the 8757A), so again if you're local and interested, drop me a line. 3. Finally, I'll be doing a couple more tweaks to an HP 8566A 100Hz-22GHz spectrum analyzer and selling it. Right now it still has a problem with one set of sweep speeds, which I suspect is a constant-current ramp generator circuit failure. An IF filter also seems misaligned by about 31Hz, so I'll be touching that up and re-calibrating levels. Let me know if there's any local interest in this unit, otherwise on eBay it goes. They're beautiful machines, but I don't need 2 of them. _*HamWAN Lab Expansion*_ 1. Newly acquired HP 11720A Pulse Modulator. This thing can take a 2-18GHz microwave signal and either pass it through or dissipate it internally. Doesn't sound exciting, right? Until you realize it can do the full on+off sequence in a span of less than 50 nanoseconds! Rise and fall times are spec'd as less than 10ns. On-off power ratio is spec'd as >80dB, but I just verified it's actually >95dB on this particular unit @ 4GHz. So what is this good for? Let's assume the minimum pulse width is actually 40ns. That corresponds to an RF signal in space that's 12 meters long, traveling at the speed of light. Let's call it an RF packet. An interesting object, but how is it useful? We are doing high-performance (read: high dynamic range) antenna radiation pattern measurements. When you shoot an RF beam at a test antenna, that signal is not confined to the antenna itself. It also goes into the surrounding environment and then can bounce back at the antenna. These bounces add to the power received by the antenna, and destroy the accuracy of power readings you're trying to take. RF absorbers help the problem, but do not eliminate it since they don't absorb 100% of the RF energy scattering back and distorting measurements from weird angles. Now imagine you take an RF-silent environment (go to the mountains) and strike the same antenna now with an RF packet. You then take a power reading 10ns after initial RF impact, and for no more than 30ns after impact (avoid rise+fall times). As long as there are no sources of reflection within a certain radius, there will be ZERO power in the RX DUT antenna which comes from reflections! Your dynamic range just increased dramatically, and so did your measurement accuracy. What is this "certain radius" in this example? The RF packet has a 10ns rise time, so that signal's already gone 3 meters past your antenna before you start your readings. Your reading window is 6 meters (20ns) long. The head of the rise envelope would have to meet your readings no more than 30ns (9 meters) from when it passed the DUT antenna to register and distort the experiment. This means it would have to hit a reflector 4.5 meters away and then travel back. So there you have it, a radius of 4.5 meters around the DUT clear of reflection sources will guarantee no measurement distortion from reflections. One problem remains. Even though this instrument provides a means to generate the necessary RF packets to perform such testing, I don't yet understand how to receive a precisely timed 20ns window of RF and determine its power. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. I suspect RF engineers familiar with radar systems will have a lot of good input here. 2. Newly acquired 1W / 35dB gain microwave amplifier (CTT APM/060-3032). It runs off 15V @ 1A, and is really small. So small in fact that we can climb with it. What is this good for? We often have a hard time aligning dishes. It can take an hour in an awkward position on a tower tweaking with the noisy measurements the modems give us, if we can find a modem signal at all. The problem with the modem TX beacons is that while they're 1W signals, they're spread out over at least a 5MHz bandwidth. This reduces their power spectral density and makes them harder to detect. They're also not continuous signals. Sending a single frequency continuous 1W signal from a remote dish would really help alignment. There is still the problem of how do you portably generate the required precise 5.9GHz signal to feed the amp, and is this only applicable when two sites are being worked on simultaneously. But it's an interesting bit of equipment that can possibly solve the alignment problems we face. 3. Corresponding to a single frequency transmission, you need a single frequency receiver on the other end. The modems will not pick this up. Actually, I have to verify if they'll pick it up as noise floor fluctuation or not! That'd be an interesting option if it works. Anyway, a portable receiver capable of 6GHz work is really expensive. We're talking Agilent FieldFox or Anritsu SiteMaster type of stuff. We already have spectrum analyzers capable of 6GHz work, but they're too large to take on a tower. So they have to live on the ground. Running LMR400 down a tower will eat a lot of the received signal (20dB for a tall tower), and you may not hear the remote site. This calls for a pre-amp of sorts! So I bought a JCA JCA48-4111B1 34dB gain amplifier. It's also tiny and can be battery-powered, so it can be installed @ an RX antenna to feed 200ft of LMR400 before it hits a proper receiver. I'm not sure if this will work out or be worth it. A better LNA-type amplifier might be needed, and the LMR400 may prove too bulky in field work, but the amp was cheap, so might as well have it on hand. It might also help with signal measures of circuits on the lab bench if nothing else. 4. And then I bought a big amp. :) A 10W Traveling Wave Tube amplifier made by Hughes, model 1177H13F000. It covers 3-8GHz at this power level. It will be useful for such experiments as "Hey Bob, go stand in front of that dish and tell me if you feel warm." And, "Do I have a death ray yet?" :) But seriously, some of the experiments deal with RF leakage from antennas, specifically near-field measurements from the rear of antennas. Finding the sources of this leakage can be tricky since tiny probes have to be used to maximize spatial resolution, so this means low gain RX. The attenuation through the back is already high, so there's very little there to be heard in the first place. But if you blast the antenna with lots of energy, you greatly increase your chances of picking up the hot spots! +40dBm, here we go. :) While I'm not sure yet, this amplifier might be useful in pulsed mode to possibly drive 100W (@ <10% duty cycle). Will have to research this more and see how TWTs feel about pulsed RF. Don't wanna cause internal arcing. The other useful application for this is as a reference amplifier as we try to develop our own 10W cheap silicon amp. When/if we do a 100W cheap silicon amp design, having 10W on hand will be handy as a first stage. These amps would be useful in more challenging links, like Cascades to Spokane. Amazingly, the signal path doesn't hit the ground, but does have to travel 256km. Finally, if we end up doing filter design, and the filters end up being good, we might need a lot of incident power to measure their true attenuation. Having this bad boy on hand solves that problem. Plus I like amps. And this is my first TWT amp. Joy! :) 5. Oh, there is one more thing... HamWAN Lab will soon feature an HP 8573E Vector Network Analyzer with options 006 (6GHz extension) and 011 (direct access to S/R/A/B channels), along with an HP 87050A option H47 S-Parameter Test Set. This instrument features 110dB dynamic range @ 6GHz and is useful down to 300kHz with the test set. The special (rare!) test set that comes with this is extra nice because it allows you to make measurements at higher than normal power levels for this instrument by in-lining an amplifier. Direct measurements at up to 1W can be made. It also allows the switching in and out of up to 3 external stimulus/measurement systems. The very broad frequency range of 300kHz-6GHz will allow this instrument to characterize all sorts of devices, including transistors from HF to HamWAN microwave. These transistor characterizations are necessary when designing amplifier input and output matching networks (for example), and are not always provided by device manufacturers. Measurements can also be made at power levels higher than 1W by using some additional external components, so work @ 10W and 100W should be possible, albeit with degraded accuracy compared to the native 1W TX / 0.4W RX system. Just as a general note, HamWAN Lab is my own private collection of stuff, not funded in any way by HamWAN. Although the work done in this lab is a key to HamWAN's success. If you have any projects which might benefit from some lab time, feel free to get in touch with me. The (out of date) inventory is here: https://www.hamwan.org/t/tiki-index.php?page=Labs&structure=HamWAN . Should really update that page. It's months out of date. --Bart

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