May 2019 - PSDR - mailman.hamwan.org

Getting started
by Jonathan Wanzer 28 May '19

28 May '19

Greetings, Jon KK6GXG here. I am involved in emcomm and local club infrastructure here in Klamath County, Oregon and I am interested in getting HamWAN going here in Klamath Falls. I am poking around on the website but I'm not sure where to begin. Any help would be appreciated. 73, ~Jon KK6GXG

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mikrotik availability in the future?
by kd2iua.ham 27 May '19

27 May '19

Does anyone know if the presidential order on telecom equipment imports affects mikrotik directly in imports or indirectly through the supply chain? I assume direct info would be hard to find but I'm curious what your general feelings and suspicions are about the future of equipment for hamwan in light of the chinese handheld radio ban for hams. Is it possible we can't even acquire this hardware at all soon? Robert(kd2iua)

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HamWAN at SeaPac
by Scott J. Burrows 23 May '19

23 May '19

I will be giving a presentation on HamWAN at SeaPac next week. It will be on Saturday at 4pm in the Riverside B room, and include client and sector antenna displays. If your interested in HamWAN, stop by and say hello!! Scott, N7DOD

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Question about MikroTik client node frequency coverage
by Jeffrey Coleman 23 May '19

23 May '19

Hi all, Quick question: I'm looking at slides from a HamWAN demo by Scott Burrows N7DOD given at WECCWG VIII in February. In it, Scott gives the HamWAN frequency range as "ham radio microwave frequencies" from 5.65 to 5.925 GHz. Scott also lists several MikroTik client node devices. According to the MikroTik device specifications on Amazon, however, their upper frequency limit is 5.835 GHz. Is this discrepancy important? Does my client node need access to the entire frequency range as given by Scott? If so, can MikroTik client nodes be easily modified to cover 5.835 to 5.925 GHz? Thanks, Jeff / W7EIR

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HamWan 900 MHz
by Stan 23 May '19

23 May '19

if this is up and running, I'd sure like to buy a 900 Mhz modem and get the HamWan a bit farther into Mason County. Any suggestions? -- Stan KF7LTT Spams/Scams Forwarded To WA State Attorney For Prosecution.

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VOTE: Board Director Elections - Rob, Doug, & Nigel
by Nigel Vander Houwen 23 May '19

23 May '19

Hello Everyone, This is the announcement of intention for Rob, Doug, and Nigel to serve as board members for HamWAN again this year. Voting will last 7 days from this notice. (Please note that we don’t have a concept of nominations, so please don’t nominate others. I have combined the three of us in this email as I have personally verified their intention to serve again, and this will save email threads. Thanks!) Nigel Vander Houwen

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Re: [HamWAN PSDR] PSDR Digest, Vol 75, Issue 7
by Colin Stanners 22 May '19

22 May '19

I don't know the in-depth details of the PSDR, but if you're looking at changing that 900Mhz, you may want to look at old (4mbit, 8Mhz channel) Motorola Canopy 900Mhz FSK/PMP100 gear off eBay, as it has a well-designed TDMA protocol and doesn't have the frequency-conversion problems (incl out-of-band interference) sometimes seen with wifi-chipset based Ubnt/MT gear. The Canopy system doesn't use SSID and therefore doesn't broadcast site name, not fully compatible with ham requirements so you could consider it as being run in ISM category. In the Canopy system, the AP and CPE (SM) are different models and only connect to the opposite type. If anyone is interested I can answer questions on network design. On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 2:00 PM <psdr-request(a)hamwan.org> wrote: > Send PSDR mailing list submissions to > psdr(a)hamwan.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > psdr-request(a)hamwan.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > psdr-owner(a)hamwan.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PSDR digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: HamWan 900 MHz (Bill Vodall) > 2. Re: HamWan 900 MHz (Rob Salsgiver) > 3. Re: HamWan 900 MHz (Joe Hamelin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 19:47:14 -0700 > From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp(a)gmail.com> > To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr(a)hamwan.org> > Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWan 900 MHz > Message-ID: > <CAPSBm50X0SWndZjiDxznhJj_YZZscqW5eAUgto= > Hagj6BZ+Ddg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > It's been a couple years since I asked about 900 MHz. Has there been > any change in the status at Gold Mtn? > > > It's only deployed @ Gold Mtn. It doesn't work very far, due to the low > > gain nature of 900MHz antennas and only using 1/2 W transmitter. Feel > > free to link to it @ 915MHz with 5MHz channel-width. You'll need the > > Mikrotik 9HPn modem and a vpol antenna of some kind. More gain the > better. > > Thanks, > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 20:49:13 -0700 > From: "Rob Salsgiver" <rob(a)nr3o.com> > To: "'Puget Sound Data Ring'" <psdr(a)hamwan.org> > Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWan 900 MHz > Message-ID: <000901d51051$535d8190$fa1884b0$(a)nr3o.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Gold's 900 is up and running - in fact we were just debating it a bit on > the list a week or so ago, discussing whether anyone was actively using it > and/or interested in experimenting with it, or whether to scrap it and take > it offline. Mikrotik no longer makes a radio to use 900, so if we want to > work with it we'll have to look at alternatives. There's a MT baseboard > with a ubiquity daughterboard that Spokane folks are using we can look at. > > What is your interest in 900 and where would you like to see it go? I > think the project has some value for some of the non-LOS sites at a lower > data rate, but do we have enough people interested to make it worth the > effort is the question? > > Cheers, > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Bill Vodall > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 7:47 PM > To: Puget Sound Data Ring > Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWan 900 MHz > > It's been a couple years since I asked about 900 MHz. Has there been > any change in the status at Gold Mtn? > > > It's only deployed @ Gold Mtn. It doesn't work very far, due to the low > > gain nature of 900MHz antennas and only using 1/2 W transmitter. Feel > > free to link to it @ 915MHz with 5MHz channel-width. You'll need the > > Mikrotik 9HPn modem and a vpol antenna of some kind. More gain the > better. > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > PSDR mailing list > PSDR(a)hamwan.org > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 21:01:16 -0700 > From: Joe Hamelin <joe(a)nethead.com> > To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr(a)hamwan.org> > Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWan 900 MHz > Message-ID: > <CAO0-hXZ3GwBMqBY+EV_eK-AEP03mHq0akxxnWg= > evmd4eBO8CQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > If I can get equipment I'd love to try to shoot it from Tulalip Bay. -Joe > -- > Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, +1 (360) 474-7474 > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:49 PM Rob Salsgiver <rob(a)nr3o.com> wrote: > > > Gold's 900 is up and running - in fact we were just debating it a bit on > > the list a week or so ago, discussing whether anyone was actively using > it > > and/or interested in experimenting with it, or whether to scrap it and > take > > it offline. Mikrotik no longer makes a radio to use 900, so if we want > to > > work with it we'll have to look at alternatives. There's a MT baseboard > > with a ubiquity daughterboard that Spokane folks are using we can look > at. > > > > What is your interest in 900 and where would you like to see it go? I > > think the project has some value for some of the non-LOS sites at a lower > > data rate, but do we have enough people interested to make it worth the > > effort is the question? > > > > Cheers, > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Bill Vodall > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 7:47 PM > > To: Puget Sound Data Ring > > Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWan 900 MHz > > > > It's been a couple years since I asked about 900 MHz. Has there been > > any change in the status at Gold Mtn? > > > > > It's only deployed @ Gold Mtn. It doesn't work very far, due to the > low > > > gain nature of 900MHz antennas and only using 1/2 W transmitter. Feel > > > free to link to it @ 915MHz with 5MHz channel-width. You'll need the > > > Mikrotik 9HPn modem and a vpol antenna of some kind. More gain the > > better. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > PSDR mailing list > > PSDR(a)hamwan.org > > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PSDR mailing list > > PSDR(a)hamwan.org > > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr > > >

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HamWAN Board Director Elections
by Nigel Vander Houwen 14 May '19

14 May '19

Hello Everyone, It’s been a year since our current board members were elected, so it’s time for new elections. As a quick recap for folks that haven’t been around, or need a reminder: Board member positions last for one year. Any supporting member is eligible to vote for board members. Any supporting member is eligible to run for a position on the board. There is no limit on the number of board members, so if you want to run and participate, you’re not taking a spot away from anyone else. There is a minimum number of 3 board members. Supporting members are those who have contributed at the Basic level ($20/mo) (or more) for the last 6 months. Voting is open for 7 days. Each board member is a separate “election”, IE you don’t have to choose one person to vote for, you choose Yay or Nay for all individuals. Please respond to the list with your votes, the list serves as our public record. Here’s our current list of supporting members (the folks who are eligible to vote on directors, or run for director themselves) (Thank you Cory for pulling this together): Bart Kus Bob Edmiston Carl Leon Cory Johnson David Giuliani Doug Kingston David Yost Dylan Ambauen Ian Gallagher Jim Hudspeth Kenny Richards Marc Lacy Mark Sheppard Mikel Shirley Nick Hall Nigel Vander Houwen Robert Salsgiver Ronald Zuber Ryan Cukierman Ryan Turner Terence Chan Tom Hayward Randy Neals I’d like to thank everyone for contributing to the project, and helping us grow. We’ve seen a handful of new members added this year, in addition to quite a few new non-member users/orgs. This speaks greatly to the massive efforts of a number of folks in the project doing installs, giving presentations, and talking about HamWAN. We’ve seen a lot of great progress over the past year, not to mention a number of new users on the network. Here’s a small sampling of some of the things accomplished over the past year. Quite a handful of new Network Operations folks have been brought on, and are quickly tackling issues and making improvements. Thanks team! A couple visits to our Capitol Park site saw new backbone links installed, sector upgrades, and additional batteries in case of power outage. Phone adoption has been taking off considerably with ACS and other emergency services folks on board. Gear installed at Buck Gear installed at Beacon Hill Gear installed at Larch Work at the Seattle EOC Upgrade work at Snohomish County DEM Upgrade work at Haystack Upgrade and repair work at Gold New edge router at FMT as a partial replacement for Tukwila, which gives us internet facing redundancy Aiming visit to Baw Faw Probably a bunch more that I forgot or managed to scroll past in my emails. All of these things and more have been the results of massive efforts of a whole lot of people this year. Thanks to every one of you for making this happen. HamWAN is entirely volunteer driven which makes such an enormous undertaking even more remarkable. Whether your contribution was in time onsite tightening bolts, or with a few dollars that helps us buy new modems and dishes, it’s all been valued. Thank you. So, to the final point. It’s time to vote again on the board directors. For the past year Bart Kus, Cory Johnson, Rob Salsgiver, Doug Kingston, and myself have acted as the board for HamWAN. I have appreciated their work over the past year, and if they choose, I hope to continue doing so this year. Cory Johnson - Cory has graciously handled HamWAN’s financial and legal filings and reports. I’m incredibly grateful for his efforts. Thank you Cory! Bart Kus - Bart continues to put enormous effort into the physical aspects of the network, particularly in his gracious hosting of our site at Haystack, some software projects, as well as acting as an administrator for the Puget Sound network day to day. Thank you Bart! Rob Salsgiver - Rob has been a significant driver in terms of organizing what work needs to be done in the network, and making sure it gets taken care of. In addition to that, he has been coming up to speed as a Network Operations member, and has been tackling a number of issues. Doug Kingston - Doug has been part of a number of big wins for the network over the past year, both in terms of new sites, as well as getting projects done and maintaining existing ones. He has additionally been working on Network Operations and has jumped in to tackle issues that the rest of the team hadn’t been able to get to. Nigel Vander Houwen - (me) I handle much of our contract work, and record keeping around technical aspects like LoAs, I serve as a day to day network administrator, and have helped deploy and maintain some of the on-network services, occasionally I manage to make a site visit to help out, and I handle things like the email you’re reading now. I have spoken with Bart, Rob, and Doug with regards to serving on the board again this upcoming year. Rob and Doug have graciously offered to continue serving. Bart has chosen to step away from the Board work and focus on the other aspects of HamWAN and I look forward to our continued work. For anyone who wishes to run for the board, please send an email to the mailing list announcing your intention to run (You’ll see mine momentarily as an example). The voting period on your election will end 7 days after your announcement. Duties are not time intensive, and mostly consist of being available for occasional calls to approve expenses, and assisting HamWAN in whichever ways your time and/or skills/knowledge allow. Thank you all for reading this rather long email, and I hope to work with you all here in this next year. Nigel Vander Houwen

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Gold Mountain S1/S3 back online
by Rob Salsgiver 13 May '19

13 May '19

A quick note to let everyone know that Gold Mountain Sectors 1 and 3 are back online after a maintenance visit this weekend. If you live in an area covered by one of those sectors, please give it a try and let NetOps know if there are any problems. Thanks to Kenny, Doug, and Randy for all their help yesterday. Cheers, Rob Salsgiver - NR3O

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Westin Hypervisor being serviced tonight
by Bart Kus 07 May '19

07 May '19

Hello all, I'm trying to upgrade the hypervisor software on our Westin server. This will cause outages to OPP users, our virtual router there, Gold RF uplink, and any VMs hosted on it. Let's hope the downtime is short, and doesn't extend into "recover the data" mode! --Bart

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