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1. VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
2. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Jason J. Hill)
3. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
(Kenny Richards)
4. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
5. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (j sweeney)
6. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
7. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
8. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Tom Hayward)
9. SOLVED: Ups and Downs (David C. Jenner)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:47:56 -0700
From: Bart Kus <me@bartk.us>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org>
Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
Message-ID: <210ba29b-8927-856a-b192-f54fb64503e0@bartk.us>
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Hello,

We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind of
silly:

  # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME       MAC-ADDRESS       AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
UPTIME
  0 wlan1      AF7PR-Baldi      E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm    32.5...
2d8h51m46s
  1 wlan1      KD7TQN-Baldi     D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm    32.5...
2d8h51m32s
  2 wlan1      N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm    32.5...
2d8h51m27s
  3 wlan1      Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm    19.5...
1d9h35m21s

They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all
the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install
access switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the
LAN directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used
to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake
Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost
tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed
link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side
will also need a modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including
that in this proposal.

Here is the rough budget for this spend request:

*Item**
* *Quantity**
* *Cost**
* *Subtotal**
*
500ft pull rope
1
$12.97
$12.97
425ft duct rod
1
$111
$111
Taxes for above 2 items
1
$11.53
$11.53
CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/
PoE and access ports for clients
1
$170
$170
CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
providing ports to lots of devices there
1
$185.24
$185.24
Taxes for above 2 items
1
$33.04
$33.04
1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
1
$137.68
$137.68
Taxes for above
1
$12.80
$12.80
Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
2
$150
$300
Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
1
$120
$120
Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
1
$100
$100
TOTAL COST ESTIMATE

$1,194.26

Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.

Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too
long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions,
and members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence
director votes. Our procedures are documented here:

http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html

--Bart

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 06:08:16 +0000
From: "Jason J. Hill" <Jason@pnwrr.com>
To: Bart Kus <me@bartk.us>, Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
link
Message-ID: <7tmgvfmrbvshep255v1p0c31.1590991009099@email.lge.com>
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I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the one you'd like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't currently occupy their main tower structure, we can check with them to see if a dish could be covered under our current lease at no additional cost if you'd like.

Jason
kd7tqn

------ Original message------
From: Bart Kus
Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
To: Puget Sound Data Ring;
Cc:
Subject:[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link

Hello,

We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind of silly:

# INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE UPTIME
0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5... 2d8h51m46s
1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5... 2d8h51m32s
2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5... 2d8h51m27s
3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5... 1d9h35m21s

They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.

Here is the rough budget for this spend request:

Item
Quantity
Cost
Subtotal

500ft pull rope
1
$12.97
$12.97

425ft duct rod
1
$111
$111

Taxes for above 2 items
1
$11.53
$11.53

CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/ PoE and access ports for clients
1
$170
$170

CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and providing ports to lots of devices there
1
$185.24
$185.24

Taxes for above 2 items
1
$33.04
$33.04

1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
1
$137.68
$137.68

Taxes for above
1
$12.80
$12.80

Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
2
$150
$300

Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
1
$120
$120

Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
1
$100
$100

TOTAL COST ESTIMATE

$1,194.26

Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.

Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence director votes. Our procedures are documented here:

http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html

--Bart

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:22:25 -0700
From: Kenny Richards <richark@gmail.com>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
link
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Bart,

I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't remember
seeing an explanation of a key aspect.

What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet? Are you
planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the tree's or
something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout or location of
these different buildings. so maybe that is a good place to start with your
plan? Have you received permission from the site owners for this work?

Thanks
Kenny

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason@pnwrr.com> wrote:

> I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the one you'd
> like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't currently occupy
> their main tower structure, we can check with them to see if a dish could
> be covered under our current lease at no additional cost if you'd like.
>
> Jason
> kd7tqn
>
>
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Bart Kus
> *Date: *Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> *To: *Puget Sound Data Ring;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
>
> Hello,
>
> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind of
> silly:
>
> # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> UPTIME
> 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m46s
> 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m32s
> 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m27s
> 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5...
> 1d9h35m21s
>
> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
> couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
> long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all the
> shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access
> switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN
> directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used to allow
> us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd
> like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the new
> high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and
> Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem
> upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.
>
> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
>
> *Item*
> *Quantity*
> *Cost*
> *Subtotal*
> 500ft pull rope
> 1
> $12.97
> $12.97
> 425ft duct rod
> 1
> $111
> $111
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $11.53
> $11.53
> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/ PoE
> and access ports for clients
> 1
> $170
> $170
> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
> providing ports to lots of devices there
> 1
> $185.24
> $185.24
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $33.04
> $33.04
> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> 1
> $137.68
> $137.68
> Taxes for above
> 1
> $12.80
> $12.80
> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> 2
> $150
> $300
> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> 1
> $120
> $120
> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> 1
> $100
> $100
> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
>
>
> $1,194.26
>
> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
>
> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too
> long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions, and
> members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence director
> votes. Our procedures are documented here:
>
> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
>
> --Bart
>
> _______________________________________________
> PSDR mailing list
> PSDR@hamwan.org
> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:35:03 -0700
From: Bart Kus <me@bartk.us>
To: Kenny Richards <richark@gmail.com>, Puget Sound Data Ring
<psdr@hamwan.org>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
link
Message-ID: <f6766014-512f-c9de-4b58-942225fe3d86@bartk.us>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

Jason, glad you like this idea, as you're one one of the tenants who
would benefit from the in-building switch access. :) We've partnered
with another tenant who is sponsoring this build-out under his lease, so
we don't need any further approvals. But thanks for offering to help!

Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already
conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got
sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to fish
a ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as there are
spare CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and north
building, so that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to the
bunker was done earlier this year as a response to the awful power
outages we suffered this winter. The north building is now tied into
generator control (and possibly power?) of the bunker.

--Bart

On 5/31/2020 11:22 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
> Bart,
>
> I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't
> remember seeing an explanation of a key aspect.
>
> What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet? Are
> you planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the tree's
> or something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout or
> location of these different buildings. so maybe that is a good place
> to start with your plan? Have you received permission from the site
> owners for this work?
>
> Thanks
> Kenny
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason@pnwrr.com
> <mailto:Jason@pnwrr.com>> wrote:
>
> I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the
> one you'd like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't
> currently occupy their main tower structure, we can check with
> them to see if a dish could be covered under our current lease at
> no additional cost if you'd like.
>
> Jason
> kd7tqn
>
>
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Bart Kus
> *Date: *Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> *To: *Puget Sound Data Ring;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
>
> Hello,
>
> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are
> kind of silly:
>
>   # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME       MAC-ADDRESS       AP SIGNAL...
> TX-RATE UPTIME
>   0 wlan1      AF7PR-Baldi      E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm
> 32.5... 2d8h51m46s
>   1 wlan1      KD7TQN-Baldi     D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm
> 32.5... 2d8h51m32s
>   2 wlan1      N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm
> 32.5... 2d8h51m27s
>   3 wlan1      Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm
> 19.5... 1d9h35m21s
>
> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top,
> just a couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a
> waste of prime long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links.
> I'd like to get all the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit
> Ethernet, and install access switches at the 2 other shacks so
> people there can plug into the LAN directly. This high speed LAN
> between all shacks can then be used to allow us to address the 4th
> silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd like to install
> a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the new high
> speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and
> Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a
> modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this
> proposal.
>
> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
>
> *Item**
> * *Quantity**
> * *Cost**
> * *Subtotal**
> *
> 500ft pull rope
> 1
> $12.97
> $12.97
> 425ft duct rod
> 1
> $111
> $111
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $11.53
> $11.53
> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake
> dish w/ PoE and access ports for clients
> 1
> $170
> $170
> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch
> and providing ports to lots of devices there
> 1
> $185.24
> $185.24
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $33.04
> $33.04
> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> 1
> $137.68
> $137.68
> Taxes for above
> 1
> $12.80
> $12.80
> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> 2
> $150
> $300
> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> 1
> $120
> $120
> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> 1
> $100
> $100
> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
>
>
> $1,194.26
>
>
> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
>
> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in
> way too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such
> spend decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with
> opinions to influence director votes. Our procedures are
> documented here:
>
> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
>
> --Bart
>
> _______________________________________________
> PSDR mailing list
> PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org>
> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 09:15:19 -0700
From: j sweeney <jms@swny.io>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
link
Message-ID: <AE9214EC-E90A-479E-9E4E-81C4839ECBAC@swny.io>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

All,

I've got a mANT30 that I've wound up not using that I'd be happy to contribute to this project. It has been assembled / hanging in my garage for a year. It is NOT the precision mount version.

Let me know if that would be of use,

Thanks,

James

> On 31 May 02020, at 23:35, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:
>
> Jason, glad you like this idea, as you're one one of the tenants who would benefit from the in-building switch access. :) We've partnered with another tenant who is sponsoring this build-out under his lease, so we don't need any further approvals. But thanks for offering to help!
>
> Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to fish a ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as there are spare CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and north building, so that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to the bunker was done earlier this year as a response to the awful power outages we suffered this winter. The north building is now tied into generator control (and possibly power?) of the bunker.
>
> --Bart
>
>
> On 5/31/2020 11:22 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
>> Bart,
>>
>> I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't remember seeing an explanation of a key aspect.
>>
>> What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet? Are you planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the tree's or something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout or location of these different buildings. so maybe that is a good place to start with your plan? Have you received permission from the site owners for this work?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kenny
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason@pnwrr.com <mailto:Jason@pnwrr.com>> wrote:
>> I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the one you'd like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't currently occupy their main tower structure, we can check with them to see if a dish could be covered under our current lease at no additional cost if you'd like.
>>
>> Jason
>> kd7tqn
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: Bart Kus
>> Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
>> To: Puget Sound Data Ring;
>> Cc:
>> Subject:[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind of silly:
>>
>> # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE UPTIME
>> 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5... 2d8h51m46s
>> 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5... 2d8h51m32s
>> 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5... 2d8h51m27s
>> 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5... 1d9h35m21s
>>
>> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.
>>
>> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
>>
>> Item
>> Quantity
>> Cost
>> Subtotal
>> 500ft pull rope
>> 1
>> $12.97
>> $12.97
>> 425ft duct rod
>> 1
>> $111
>> $111
>> Taxes for above 2 items
>> 1
>> $11.53
>> $11.53
>> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/ PoE and access ports for clients
>> 1
>> $170
>> $170
>> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and providing ports to lots of devices there
>> 1
>> $185.24
>> $185.24
>> Taxes for above 2 items
>> 1
>> $33.04
>> $33.04
>> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
>> 1
>> $137.68
>> $137.68
>> Taxes for above
>> 1
>> $12.80
>> $12.80
>> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
>> 2
>> $150
>> $300
>> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
>> 1
>> $120
>> $120
>> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
>> 1
>> $100
>> $100
>> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
>>
>>
>> $1,194.26
>>
>> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
>>
>> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence director votes. Our procedures are documented here:
>>
>> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html <http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html>
>>
>> --Bart
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 09:42:25 -0700
From: Bart Kus <me@bartk.us>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org>, j sweeney <jms@swny.io>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
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I'm sure we could make use of it, probably not for this project but
other upcoming ones. Please shoot me an email privately with address
and we can arrange a pick-up.

--Bart

On 6/1/2020 9:15 AM, j sweeney wrote:
> All,
>
> I've got a mANT30 that I've wound up not using that I'd be happy to
> contribute to this project. It has been assembled / hanging in my
> garage for a year. It is NOT the precision mount version.
>
> Let me know if that would be of use,
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
>> On 31 May 02020, at 23:35, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us
>> <mailto:me@bartk.us>> wrote:
>>
>> Jason, glad you like this idea, as you're one one of the tenants who
>> would benefit from the in-building switch access. :) We've
>> partnered with another tenant who is sponsoring this build-out under
>> his lease, so we don't need any further approvals. But thanks for
>> offering to help!
>>
>> Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already
>> conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got
>> sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to
>> fish a ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as
>> there are spare CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and
>> north building, so that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to
>> the bunker was done earlier this year as a response to the awful
>> power outages we suffered this winter. The north building is now
>> tied into generator control (and possibly power?) of the bunker.
>>
>> --Bart
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/2020 11:22 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
>>> Bart,
>>>
>>> I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't
>>> remember seeing an explanation of a key aspect.
>>>
>>> What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet?
>>> Are you planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the
>>> tree's or something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout
>>> or location of these different buildings. so maybe that is a good
>>> place to start with your plan? Have you received permission from the
>>> site owners for this work?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Kenny
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason@pnwrr.com
>>> <mailto:Jason@pnwrr.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the
>>> one you'd like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't
>>> currently occupy their main tower structure, we can check with
>>> them to see if a dish could be covered under our current lease
>>> at no additional cost if you'd like.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>> kd7tqn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ Original message------
>>> *From: *Bart Kus
>>> *Date: *Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
>>> *To: *Puget Sound Data Ring;
>>> *Cc: *
>>> *Subject:*[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and
>>> Rattlesnake link
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are
>>> kind of silly:
>>>
>>>   # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS       AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
>>> UPTIME
>>>   0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi      E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm    32.5...
>>> 2d8h51m46s
>>>   1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi     D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm    32.5...
>>> 2d8h51m32s
>>>   2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm    32.5...
>>> 2d8h51m27s
>>>   3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm    19.5...
>>> 1d9h35m21s
>>>
>>> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top,
>>> just a couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a
>>> waste of prime long-range spectrum, being used to do
>>> local-links. I'd like to get all the shacks @ Baldi tied
>>> together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access switches at
>>> the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN
>>> directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be
>>> used to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is
>>> Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on
>>> the northernmost tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as
>>> a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The
>>> dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem upgrade to
>>> run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.
>>>
>>> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
>>>
>>> *Item**
>>> * *Quantity**
>>> * *Cost**
>>> * *Subtotal**
>>> *
>>> 500ft pull rope
>>> 1
>>> $12.97
>>> $12.97
>>> 425ft duct rod
>>> 1
>>> $111
>>> $111
>>> Taxes for above 2 items
>>> 1
>>> $11.53
>>> $11.53
>>> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake
>>> dish w/ PoE and access ports for clients
>>> 1
>>> $170
>>> $170
>>> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch
>>> and providing ports to lots of devices there
>>> 1
>>> $185.24
>>> $185.24
>>> Taxes for above 2 items
>>> 1
>>> $33.04
>>> $33.04
>>> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
>>> 1
>>> $137.68
>>> $137.68
>>> Taxes for above
>>> 1
>>> $12.80
>>> $12.80
>>> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
>>> 2
>>> $150
>>> $300
>>> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
>>> 1
>>> $120
>>> $120
>>> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish
>>> isolation kit
>>> 1
>>> $100
>>> $100
>>> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
>>>
>>>
>>> $1,194.26
>>>
>>>
>>> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
>>>
>>> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in
>>> way too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such
>>> spend decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with
>>> opinions to influence director votes. Our procedures are
>>> documented here:
>>>
>>> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
>>>
>>> --Bart
>>>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 09:50:02 -0700
From: Bart Kus <me@bartk.us>
To: psdr@hamwan.org
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
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Woops, forgot to add 2.4GHz access points to the spend request, 1 for
each building. They came out to $117.51 total, bringing the new grand
total to $1,311.77.

--Bart

On 5/31/2020 10:47 PM, Bart Kus wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind
> of silly:
>
> # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME       MAC-ADDRESS       AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> UPTIME
> 0 wlan1      AF7PR-Baldi      E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm    32.5...
> 2d8h51m46s
> 1 wlan1      KD7TQN-Baldi     D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm    32.5...
> 2d8h51m32s
> 2 wlan1      N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm    32.5...
> 2d8h51m27s
> 3 wlan1      Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm    19.5...
> 1d9h35m21s
>
> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
> couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
> long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all
> the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install
> access switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into
> the LAN directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be
> used to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake
> Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost
> tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed
> link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side
> will also need a modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including
> that in this proposal.
>
> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
>
> *Item**
> * *Quantity**
> * *Cost**
> * *Subtotal**
> *
> 500ft pull rope
> 1
> $12.97
> $12.97
> 425ft duct rod
> 1
> $111
> $111
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $11.53
> $11.53
> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/
> PoE and access ports for clients
> 1
> $170
> $170
> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
> providing ports to lots of devices there
> 1
> $185.24
> $185.24
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $33.04
> $33.04
> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> 1
> $137.68
> $137.68
> Taxes for above
> 1
> $12.80
> $12.80
> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> 2
> $150
> $300
> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> 1
> $120
> $120
> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> 1
> $100
> $100
> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
>
>
> $1,194.26
>
>
> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
>
> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way
> too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend
> decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to
> influence director votes. Our procedures are documented here:
>
> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
>
> --Bart
>
>
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> PSDR mailing list
> PSDR@hamwan.org
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:01:32 -0700
From: Tom Hayward <tom@tomh.us>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
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On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:35 PM Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:

> Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already
> conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got
> sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to fish a
> ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as there are spare
> CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and north building, so
> that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to the bunker was done
> earlier this year as a response to the awful power outages we suffered this
> winter. The north building is now tied into generator control (and
> possibly power?) of the bunker.
>

Does the conduit already carry a conductor? I would avoid installing
anything but fiber between buildings to simplify grounding/isolation.

Tom
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:42:27 -0700
From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner8@mac.com>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org>
Cc: Mark Saran <msaran@olympus.net>
Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] SOLVED: Ups and Downs
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Thanks to those who told me how to check out my radio/dish. It was
fine. Problem had to be before radio or after radio. It was after, on
my site. Unless you are really interested, you can stop reading now.

My dish/radio is on my pumphouse with a clear view to Buck Mtn, 800 feet
from the shop with router in "Internet Central." To get from pumphouse
to shop, I choose to use an old underground telephone line that was
installed 35 years ago, and I installed VDSL on it. It's underground
except for one 20-30 foot segment that crosses a driveway. It runs a
couple of feet away from an old, high pressure, sodium vapor "barn
lamp." The lamp is starting to fail (it's also probably 35 years old).
The lamp goes on automatically during the time period I was having
downs/ups on Buck HamWAN.

The VDSL line is zippy, running at at least 100Mbps, but is apparently
sensitive to fluctuations in lamp as it flickers. The telephone line is
twisted pair and it's shielded, but apparently not up to the noise
created nearby by the lamp.

I've been meaning to replace that lamp for some time now, and I need to
bury the last segment of the telephone line.

73,
Dave
K7DCJ

On 5/11/20 10:09 AM, David Jenner via PSDR wrote:
> My connection (K7DCJ-Buck) has been down for a few minutes a couple of dozen times in the last two days. Is the source of this known, or is it at my place?
>
> 73,
> Dave
> K7DCJ
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