Questions about Configuring HamWAN Nodes and Sectors
I have a question about configuring a HamWAN Node that is not answered by https://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configura...: <https://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configuration.html:> Do I have to take any precautions (and if so, what) to protect myself and others from microwave radiation while configuring a HamWAN Node? I assume that a Node would not transmit until it receives a signal from a Sector, but I can't find a specific answer to this question. If it is true that a Node will not transmit until it receives a signal from a Sector, then I can safely work indoors while configuring the Node. (Obviously, once I have the Node mounted and aimed at a Sector, I must ensure that people and animals can not come into the path of the signal.) If I have a spare Node, can I configure the spare Node as a Sector (using a different frequency that will not conflict with any existing Sectors) for testing or demonstration purposes to gain experience with HamWAN when I am out of range of the PSDR? Obviously, because the Node has a directional antenna rather than the 120 degree antenna normally used for Sectors, the Node would not make a good Sector for production purposes. Or, is there some fundamental difference between the hardware or firmware in a Node and that in a Sector that would prevent a Node from being used as an experimental Sector? Regardless of the answer to the above question, at what point in the configuration process of a Sector does the Sector begin to transmit microwave radiation? Obviously, once the Sector begins to transmit microwave radiation, I must take precautions to ensure that people and animals are not exposed to this radiation. What protection is required? For example, am I safe if I aim a sector at a concrete wall? Do I need a mesh screen? Any advice / recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks. Herb, AA7HW
Herb, Other's may wish to weigh in here, but we are basically talking about same technology as 802.11ac 5GHz wifi. As long as you aren't intentionally baking yourself or others at extreme proximity, it's probably not too much to worry about. Here we are holding wifi smartphones up to our heads all the time... What precautions do you take against wifi signals? HamWAN runs Mikrotik NV2 protocol, but it is the same as 802.11 for all intents and purposes. It works and behaves just like wifi: ap's are constantly transmitting beacons, and stations are always probing to connect. The only difference between a "sector" and a "node" (other than the antenna differences you've already observed) is that one interface is configured as mode=station and the other as mode=ap-bridge. https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Wireless#General_interface_p... I suppose you could turn down *tx-power* while setting up/testing indoors. You could also experiment with lower power devices. Any mikrotik radio will do. You can substitute your own 2.4G or 5G frequencies for Hamwan's 5.9Ghz. Dylan, KI7SBI On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:30 PM Herb Weiner <herbw@wiskit.com> wrote:
I have a question about configuring a HamWAN Node that is not answered by https://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configura...:
Do I have to take any precautions (and if so, what) to protect myself and others from microwave radiation while configuring a HamWAN Node? I assume that a Node would not transmit until it receives a signal from a Sector, but I can't find a specific answer to this question. If it is true that a Node will not transmit until it receives a signal from a Sector, then I can safely work indoors while configuring the Node. (Obviously, once I have the Node mounted and aimed at a Sector, I must ensure that people and animals can not come into the path of the signal.)
If I have a spare Node, can I configure the spare Node as a Sector (using a different frequency that will not conflict with any existing Sectors) for testing or demonstration purposes to gain experience with HamWAN when I am out of range of the PSDR? Obviously, because the Node has a directional antenna rather than the 120 degree antenna normally used for Sectors, the Node would not make a good Sector for production purposes. Or, is there some fundamental difference between the hardware or firmware in a Node and that in a Sector that would prevent a Node from being used as an experimental Sector?
Regardless of the answer to the above question, at what point in the configuration process of a Sector does the Sector begin to transmit microwave radiation? Obviously, once the Sector begins to transmit microwave radiation, I must take precautions to ensure that people and animals are not exposed to this radiation. What protection is required? For example, am I safe if I aim a sector at a concrete wall? Do I need a mesh screen? Any advice / recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks. Herb, AA7HW
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Thanks, Dylan. Perhaps the other difference is that the antennas on the Nodes are potentially much more directional. A 1 watt signal into a 30 dB antenna is equivalent to 1000 watts. Herb
On Jan 12, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Dylan Ambauen <dylan@ambauen.com> wrote:
Herb,
Other's may wish to weigh in here, but we are basically talking about same technology as 802.11ac 5GHz wifi. As long as you aren't intentionally baking yourself or others at extreme proximity, it's probably not too much to worry about. Here we are holding wifi smartphones up to our heads all the time... What precautions do you take against wifi signals?
HamWAN runs Mikrotik NV2 protocol, but it is the same as 802.11 for all intents and purposes. It works and behaves just like wifi: ap's are constantly transmitting beacons, and stations are always probing to connect. The only difference between a "sector" and a "node" (other than the antenna differences you've already observed) is that one interface is configured as mode=station and the other as mode=ap-bridge.
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Wireless#General_interface_p... <https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Wireless#General_interface_properties>
I suppose you could turn down tx-power while setting up/testing indoors. You could also experiment with lower power devices. Any mikrotik radio will do. You can substitute your own 2.4G or 5G frequencies for Hamwan's 5.9Ghz.
Dylan, KI7SBI
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:30 PM Herb Weiner <herbw@wiskit.com <mailto:herbw@wiskit.com>> wrote: I have a question about configuring a HamWAN Node that is not answered by https://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configura...: <https://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configuration.html:>
Do I have to take any precautions (and if so, what) to protect myself and others from microwave radiation while configuring a HamWAN Node? I assume that a Node would not transmit until it receives a signal from a Sector, but I can't find a specific answer to this question. If it is true that a Node will not transmit until it receives a signal from a Sector, then I can safely work indoors while configuring the Node. (Obviously, once I have the Node mounted and aimed at a Sector, I must ensure that people and animals can not come into the path of the signal.)
If I have a spare Node, can I configure the spare Node as a Sector (using a different frequency that will not conflict with any existing Sectors) for testing or demonstration purposes to gain experience with HamWAN when I am out of range of the PSDR? Obviously, because the Node has a directional antenna rather than the 120 degree antenna normally used for Sectors, the Node would not make a good Sector for production purposes. Or, is there some fundamental difference between the hardware or firmware in a Node and that in a Sector that would prevent a Node from being used as an experimental Sector?
Regardless of the answer to the above question, at what point in the configuration process of a Sector does the Sector begin to transmit microwave radiation? Obviously, once the Sector begins to transmit microwave radiation, I must take precautions to ensure that people and animals are not exposed to this radiation. What protection is required? For example, am I safe if I aim a sector at a concrete wall? Do I need a mesh screen? Any advice / recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks. Herb, AA7HW
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Perhaps the other difference is that the antennas on the Nodes are potentially much more directional. A 1 watt signal into a 30 dB antenna is equivalent to 1000 watts.
Antennas focus - they don't amplify. A 1 watt signal is still 1 watt - it's just focused in one direction instead of being spread out in all directions. Still worthy of concern and care, don't aim it at your eyes and run low power when possible, but it's no microwave oven.. Bill,
1 Watt into 30db gain results in about an RF power density 1m in front of the feed element of 8W/m^2 Based on World Health organization recommendations the safe levels are that of 0.4W/kg. So as long as your mass is more 7lbs you should not have any adverse effects from incidental body heating from time-limited exposure to being right in front of the radiating element. On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:12 AM Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps the other difference is that the antennas on the Nodes are potentially much more directional. A 1 watt signal into a 30 dB antenna is equivalent to 1000 watts.
Antennas focus - they don't amplify. A 1 watt signal is still 1 watt - it's just focused in one direction instead of being spread out in all directions.
Still worthy of concern and care, don't aim it at your eyes and run low power when possible, but it's no microwave oven..
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