We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet. 73 de N5HC /Conny
In addition: Also we have been running our own http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html (DNS/NTP/Portal) and a Syslog/Zabbix server. Have a Jabber Server running. We have not formally organized our self but we have all the hardware up and running we have access to county microwave links for backhaul. Two counties have hardware installed for access at their EOC’s. The hams at the VA hospital have hardware wired in too. 10+ Allstar Repeaters linked. Just not that good at marketing our self as some of you guys. I’m sticking to the technical stuff. /Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet.
73 de N5HC
/Conny
Our certification process sucks presently. I'd love to setup some kind of auditing/testing program that verifies your configs daily or weekly, and lets you know what parts of the standard might be mis-configured. In the meantime, let me ask some manual questions: 1) Is nv2-cell-radius=100 km? 2) Is tdma-period=4 ms? 3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces? 4) Is ssid=HamWAN ? I need to re-arrange the website quite a bit to cut out 90% of the pages under "Standards" since they're not our standards. Our standards are quite minimal and easy to comply with. The rest can be called "best practices" (eg: internal network routing), but it's really up to you. The spirit of having the standard is that a HamWAN-configured modem can be taken to any region and Just Work without the user having to change anything. --Bart On 8/14/2016 9:10 AM, Conny Jonsson wrote:
In addition:
Also we have been running our own http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html (DNS/NTP/Portal) and a Syslog/Zabbix server. Have a Jabber Server running.
We have not formally organized our self but we have all the hardware up and running we have access to county microwave links for backhaul.
Two counties have hardware installed for access at their EOC’s. The hams at the VA hospital have hardware wired in too.
10+ Allstar Repeaters linked.
Just not that good at marketing our self as some of you guys.
I’m sticking to the technical stuff.
/Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet.
73 de N5HC
/Conny
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Yes and agreed, have been lurking around for a quite awhile and been running these sectors for a bit we have a good idea how it works. But “standards” would help me personally as I’m kinda of bursty (work related) when it comes to supporting the site. So any “remote” community oversight/help of the site and the new users equipment would be aprciated. Answer to the questions: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes And I agree with the last part, backhaul etc is “just” Internet stuff. The unique is how we access it over the Ham Radio frequencies. How about having “roaming” IP addresses for HamWAN-configured modems? Not sure if we are there yet. But that would be one cool feature. 73 de N5HC /Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:
Our certification process sucks presently. I'd love to setup some kind of auditing/testing program that verifies your configs daily or weekly, and lets you know what parts of the standard might be mis-configured.
In the meantime, let me ask some manual questions:
1) Is nv2-cell-radius=100 km? 2) Is tdma-period=4 ms? 3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces? 4) Is ssid=HamWAN ?
I need to re-arrange the website quite a bit to cut out 90% of the pages under "Standards" since they're not our standards. Our standards are quite minimal and easy to comply with. The rest can be called "best practices" (eg: internal network routing), but it's really up to you. The spirit of having the standard is that a HamWAN-configured modem can be taken to any region and Just Work without the user having to change anything.
--Bart
On 8/14/2016 9:10 AM, Conny Jonsson wrote:
In addition:
Also we have been running our own http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html <http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html> (DNS/NTP/Portal) and a Syslog/Zabbix server. Have a Jabber Server running.
We have not formally organized our self but we have all the hardware up and running we have access to county microwave links for backhaul.
Two counties have hardware installed for access at their EOC’s. The hams at the VA hospital have hardware wired in too.
10+ Allstar Repeaters linked.
Just not that good at marketing our self as some of you guys.
I’m sticking to the technical stuff.
/Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> <mailto:n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet.
73 de N5HC
/Conny
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr <http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr>
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Not sure if I updated this, but we do have the IPIP tunnel to UCSD up and running and a limited number of our host have been enabled at UCSD to have access. /Conny N5HC
On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
Yes and agreed, have been lurking around for a quite awhile and been running these sectors for a bit we have a good idea how it works. But “standards” would help me personally as I’m kinda of bursty (work related) when it comes to supporting the site. So any “remote” community oversight/help of the site and the new users equipment would be aprciated.
Answer to the questions:
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes
And I agree with the last part, backhaul etc is “just” Internet stuff. The unique is how we access it over the Ham Radio frequencies.
How about having “roaming” IP addresses for HamWAN-configured modems? Not sure if we are there yet. But that would be one cool feature.
73 de N5HC /Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us <mailto:me@bartk.us>> wrote:
Our certification process sucks presently. I'd love to setup some kind of auditing/testing program that verifies your configs daily or weekly, and lets you know what parts of the standard might be mis-configured.
In the meantime, let me ask some manual questions:
1) Is nv2-cell-radius=100 km? 2) Is tdma-period=4 ms? 3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces? 4) Is ssid=HamWAN ?
I need to re-arrange the website quite a bit to cut out 90% of the pages under "Standards" since they're not our standards. Our standards are quite minimal and easy to comply with. The rest can be called "best practices" (eg: internal network routing), but it's really up to you. The spirit of having the standard is that a HamWAN-configured modem can be taken to any region and Just Work without the user having to change anything.
--Bart
On 8/14/2016 9:10 AM, Conny Jonsson wrote:
In addition:
Also we have been running our own http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html <http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html> (DNS/NTP/Portal) and a Syslog/Zabbix server. Have a Jabber Server running.
We have not formally organized our self but we have all the hardware up and running we have access to county microwave links for backhaul.
Two counties have hardware installed for access at their EOC’s. The hams at the VA hospital have hardware wired in too.
10+ Allstar Repeaters linked.
Just not that good at marketing our self as some of you guys.
I’m sticking to the technical stuff.
/Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> <mailto:n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet.
73 de N5HC
/Conny
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Conny, Sorry if you perceived this as being ignored. When we get the website back up, we'll get you listed as Certified. Ryan said he could work on an Ansible role to verify modem config. This would work by checking each of the settings Bart asked about and printing an OK or listing any changes that need to be made. This will add some much-needed structure to the Certification process. Tom On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
Yes and agreed, have been lurking around for a quite awhile and been running these sectors for a bit we have a good idea how it works. But “standards” would help me personally as I’m kinda of bursty (work related) when it comes to supporting the site. So any “remote” community oversight/help of the site and the new users equipment would be aprciated.
Answer to the questions:
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes
And I agree with the last part, backhaul etc is “just” Internet stuff. The unique is how we access it over the Ham Radio frequencies.
How about having “roaming” IP addresses for HamWAN-configured modems? Not sure if we are there yet. But that would be one cool feature.
73 de N5HC /Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:
Our certification process sucks presently. I'd love to setup some kind of auditing/testing program that verifies your configs daily or weekly, and lets you know what parts of the standard might be mis-configured.
In the meantime, let me ask some manual questions:
1) Is nv2-cell-radius=100 km? 2) Is tdma-period=4 ms? 3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces? 4) Is ssid=HamWAN ?
I need to re-arrange the website quite a bit to cut out 90% of the pages under "Standards" since they're not our standards. Our standards are quite minimal and easy to comply with. The rest can be called "best practices" (eg: internal network routing), but it's really up to you. The spirit of having the standard is that a HamWAN-configured modem can be taken to any region and Just Work without the user having to change anything.
--Bart
On 8/14/2016 9:10 AM, Conny Jonsson wrote:
In addition:
Also we have been running our own http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html (DNS/NTP/Portal) and a Syslog/Zabbix server. Have a Jabber Server running.
We have not formally organized our self but we have all the hardware up and running we have access to county microwave links for backhaul.
Two counties have hardware installed for access at their EOC’s. The hams at the VA hospital have hardware wired in too.
10+ Allstar Repeaters linked.
Just not that good at marketing our self as some of you guys.
I’m sticking to the technical stuff.
/Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet.
73 de N5HC
/Conny
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
Understood. Just a (friendly) reminder. Seems to me that HamWAN is evolving into more of a concept then a particular physical system. Have there been any discussion about sharing and or distribution of HamWAN specific services/resources such as Portals etc. At the moment we forked of the Portal from GitHUB but it's like an island. Network monitoring also could be beneficial in shared/distributed manner. At the moment we run a Zabbix server. Adding the SSH keys (of trusted hams) to a "end" users device is an example of a Ham spirited way of "elmering". Specifically useful in an area like NM were there more "users" then it is HamWAN backend interested Hams. Just don't to like to reinvent the wheels. /Conny N5HC
On Aug 29, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Tom Hayward <tom@tomh.us> wrote:
Conny,
Sorry if you perceived this as being ignored. When we get the website back up, we'll get you listed as Certified.
Ryan said he could work on an Ansible role to verify modem config. This would work by checking each of the settings Bart asked about and printing an OK or listing any changes that need to be made. This will add some much-needed structure to the Certification process.
Tom
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote: Yes and agreed, have been lurking around for a quite awhile and been running these sectors for a bit we have a good idea how it works. But “standards” would help me personally as I’m kinda of bursty (work related) when it comes to supporting the site. So any “remote” community oversight/help of the site and the new users equipment would be aprciated.
Answer to the questions:
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes
And I agree with the last part, backhaul etc is “just” Internet stuff. The unique is how we access it over the Ham Radio frequencies.
How about having “roaming” IP addresses for HamWAN-configured modems? Not sure if we are there yet. But that would be one cool feature.
73 de N5HC /Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:
Our certification process sucks presently. I'd love to setup some kind of auditing/testing program that verifies your configs daily or weekly, and lets you know what parts of the standard might be mis-configured.
In the meantime, let me ask some manual questions:
1) Is nv2-cell-radius=100 km? 2) Is tdma-period=4 ms? 3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces? 4) Is ssid=HamWAN ?
I need to re-arrange the website quite a bit to cut out 90% of the pages under "Standards" since they're not our standards. Our standards are quite minimal and easy to comply with. The rest can be called "best practices" (eg: internal network routing), but it's really up to you. The spirit of having the standard is that a HamWAN-configured modem can be taken to any region and Just Work without the user having to change anything.
--Bart
On 8/14/2016 9:10 AM, Conny Jonsson wrote:
In addition:
Also we have been running our own http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html (DNS/NTP/Portal) and a Syslog/Zabbix server. Have a Jabber Server running.
We have not formally organized our self but we have all the hardware up and running we have access to county microwave links for backhaul.
Two counties have hardware installed for access at their EOC’s. The hams at the VA hospital have hardware wired in too.
10+ Allstar Repeaters linked.
Just not that good at marketing our self as some of you guys.
I’m sticking to the technical stuff.
/Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet.
73 de N5HC
/Conny
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_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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As far as I know, HamWAN has always been pitched as a set of standards and best practices, rather than a particular physical system. Admittedly, we put a lot of time into running the reference implementation of these standards in the Puget Sound area. The portal doesn't do much. It's just another IPAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address_management#List_of_products tailored to interface with the DNS server we're using here. As the primary author of the portal, I'd say you will probably have just as good or better of an experience using one of the more popular IPAM suites. Ryan has put quite a bit of work into deployment automation for services: https://github.com/HamWAN/infrastructure-configs These are psuedo-standards, in that you can use the automation to deploy software exactly the way MemHamWAN does, but we're not enforcing any standards at this level. The scope of required standards is limited to the RF layer. This should at least keep you from having to "reinvent the wheel", but if you want to deviate from what's provided here, experiment, and even contribute alternatives, that's okay too. Tom On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
Understood.
Just a (friendly) reminder.
Seems to me that HamWAN is evolving into more of a concept then a particular physical system.
Have there been any discussion about sharing and or distribution of HamWAN specific services/resources such as Portals etc. At the moment we forked of the Portal from GitHUB but it's like an island. Network monitoring also could be beneficial in shared/distributed manner. At the moment we run a Zabbix server.
Adding the SSH keys (of trusted hams) to a "end" users device is an example of a Ham spirited way of "elmering". Specifically useful in an area like NM were there more "users" then it is HamWAN backend interested Hams.
Just don't to like to reinvent the wheels.
/Conny N5HC
On Aug 29, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Tom Hayward <tom@tomh.us> wrote:
Conny,
Sorry if you perceived this as being ignored. When we get the website back up, we'll get you listed as Certified.
Ryan said he could work on an Ansible role to verify modem config. This would work by checking each of the settings Bart asked about and printing an OK or listing any changes that need to be made. This will add some much-needed structure to the Certification process.
Tom
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote: Yes and agreed, have been lurking around for a quite awhile and been running these sectors for a bit we have a good idea how it works. But “standards” would help me personally as I’m kinda of bursty (work related) when it comes to supporting the site. So any “remote” community oversight/help of the site and the new users equipment would be aprciated.
Answer to the questions:
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes
And I agree with the last part, backhaul etc is “just” Internet stuff. The unique is how we access it over the Ham Radio frequencies.
How about having “roaming” IP addresses for HamWAN-configured modems? Not sure if we are there yet. But that would be one cool feature.
73 de N5HC /Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:
Our certification process sucks presently. I'd love to setup some kind of auditing/testing program that verifies your configs daily or weekly, and lets you know what parts of the standard might be mis-configured.
In the meantime, let me ask some manual questions:
1) Is nv2-cell-radius=100 km? 2) Is tdma-period=4 ms? 3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces? 4) Is ssid=HamWAN ?
I need to re-arrange the website quite a bit to cut out 90% of the pages under "Standards" since they're not our standards. Our standards are quite minimal and easy to comply with. The rest can be called "best practices" (eg: internal network routing), but it's really up to you. The spirit of having the standard is that a HamWAN-configured modem can be taken to any region and Just Work without the user having to change anything.
--Bart
On 8/14/2016 9:10 AM, Conny Jonsson wrote:
In addition:
Also we have been running our own http://www.hamwan.org/t/Servers.html (DNS/NTP/Portal) and a Syslog/Zabbix server. Have a Jabber Server running.
We have not formally organized our self but we have all the hardware up and running we have access to county microwave links for backhaul.
Two counties have hardware installed for access at their EOC’s. The hams at the VA hospital have hardware wired in too.
10+ Allstar Repeaters linked.
Just not that good at marketing our self as some of you guys.
I’m sticking to the technical stuff.
/Conny
On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Conny Jonsson <n5hc@icloud.com> wrote:
We have two operational sectors on top of Sandia Crest (+10000’), third sector will be located on another tower further north: • Uses NV2 TDMA mode • Use the 10 MHz or 5 MHz in 10 MHz channels frequency plan with 120 degree sectors • Network is routable (IPIP) on the Internet.
73 de N5HC
/Conny
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On 8/14/16 2:40 PM, Bart Kus wrote:
3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces?
Is this a requirement? We're not running DHCP server on any of the MT based AP's here in HamWAN Tampa Bay. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Bryan, The DHCP server doesn't have to live specifically on the modem, as long as a client can get an address via DHCP (which IIRC you've described previously as happening by a different means). Nigel
On 8/14/16 2:40 PM, Bart Kus wrote:
3) Is dhcp-server running on the wlan1 sector interfaces?
Is this a requirement? We're not running DHCP server on any of the MT based AP's here in HamWAN Tampa Bay.
-- Bryan Fields
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