Good Morning, The Kitsap Auxiliary Radio Service (KARS), DEM affiliate organization, would like to investigate the deployment possibility of a low altitude ring between sites, yet to be identified. The idea would be to build out a few cell sites just at lower altitudes that hopefully create a backup/redundant data ring if possible. If this is possible and authorized, may I please get a bill of materials and approximate cost of those materials. Thanks, Jamie Hughes WA7JH Mobile: (360) 340-8886<tel:+13603408886>
Hi Jamie, I am in the process of moving to North Kitsap and would be interested in this project. If you could get access to the Suquamish tower and perhaps at the Casino up at Little Boston, they would have good visibility and coverage for client nodes. On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:15 AM Jamie Hughes <wa7jh@outlook.com> wrote:
Good Morning,
The Kitsap Auxiliary Radio Service (KARS), DEM affiliate organization, would like to investigate the deployment possibility of a low altitude ring between sites, yet to be identified. The idea would be to build out a few cell sites just at lower altitudes that hopefully create a backup/redundant data ring if possible.
If this is possible and authorized, may I please get a bill of materials and approximate cost of those materials.
Thanks,
*Jamie Hughes*
WA7JH
Mobile: (360) 340-8886 <+13603408886>
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
-- ------------------------------ John D. Hays Edmonds, WA K7VE <http://k7ve.org/blog> <http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays>
Jamie, Good to meet you. It is entirely possible and authorized - even encouraged. I just held a discussion on the topic at Comm Academy this year, and part of the focus was on building communications "communities". Most of the initial focus is usually getting a location connected to the HamWAN "backbone" - or one of the high level mountain-top sites. This is almost never possible when looking at an entire community, so it makes sense to build local cells to connect facilities within the community. In an ideal world your local community would create 2 or 3 cells, allowing each key facility with town to be connected to 2 sites for redundancy. In turn, the community "hub" if you will, would also have 2 or more connections out to the Puget Sound HamWAN backbone for connections to the rest of the world. In the event that the trunks out to the Puget Sound HamWAN backbone are taken down, you still have communications within your community between fire, police, city hall, school district, public works, shelter sites, or whomever else you want to add. Because each site and case is different, a fixed Bill of Materials is hard to nail down. We can easily give you a few examples, but your needs will be unique to who(m) you want to connect, and how you want to connect them. I would encourage you to start gathering a list of points you would like to connect (names, phone numbers, addresses, GPS coordinates). With this you can start doing some ground-work on good starting sites to explore and how many facilities can be covered by them. You may already be a mile ahead of me on some of this, if so I apologize. Even so it may be good for others on the list. If you have a list of potential client and cell sites you are focused on, let me know and I can help look at coverage maps to see how it lays out. General ball-park costs are as follows: 1) Single-dish connected client site - $600 (includes uplink dish and radio, access point and site router, and VOIP phoe) 2) Dual-dish connected client site - $900-$1100 (similar to above, connecting to 2 or more other sites) 3) Fully populated cell site - $2500-$4500, depending on number of links, sectors, etc. Give a shout if you have more questions. Cheers, Rob Salsgiver - NR3O From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Hughes Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:16 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Bill of Materials for Cell Site Good Morning, The Kitsap Auxiliary Radio Service (KARS), DEM affiliate organization, would like to investigate the deployment possibility of a low altitude ring between sites, yet to be identified. The idea would be to build out a few cell sites just at lower altitudes that hopefully create a backup/redundant data ring if possible. If this is possible and authorized, may I please get a bill of materials and approximate cost of those materials. Thanks, Jamie Hughes WA7JH Mobile: <tel:+13603408886> (360) 340-8886
Jamie, As a Kitsap resident, I am also interested in your project, and would like to help. Let's meet up in Bremerton. I can help with your Bill of Materials questions... weighing the various options will certainly be easier in a 30 minute discussion, and I can give you a visual on the HamWAN gear we use to host a server for PNW DMR. I have some spare gear too, for field tests. Please contact me off-list. KI7SBI Dylan --- Dylan Ambauen 360-850-1200 On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 1:08 PM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
Jamie,
Good to meet you. It is entirely possible and authorized – even encouraged. I just held a discussion on the topic at Comm Academy this year, and part of the focus was on building communications “communities”.
Most of the initial focus is usually getting a location connected to the HamWAN “backbone” – or one of the high level mountain-top sites. This is almost never possible when looking at an entire community, so it makes sense to build local cells to connect facilities within the community. In an ideal world your local community would create 2 or 3 cells, allowing each key facility with town to be connected to 2 sites for redundancy. In turn, the community “hub” if you will, would also have 2 or more connections out to the Puget Sound HamWAN backbone for connections to the rest of the world.
In the event that the trunks out to the Puget Sound HamWAN backbone are taken down, you still have communications within your community between fire, police, city hall, school district, public works, shelter sites, or whomever else you want to add.
Because each site and case is different, a fixed Bill of Materials is hard to nail down. We can easily give you a few examples, but your needs will be unique to who(m) you want to connect, and how you want to connect them.
I would encourage you to start gathering a list of points you would like to connect (names, phone numbers, addresses, GPS coordinates). With this you can start doing some ground-work on good starting sites to explore and how many facilities can be covered by them.
You may already be a mile ahead of me on some of this, if so I apologize. Even so it may be good for others on the list.
If you have a list of potential client and cell sites you are focused on, let me know and I can help look at coverage maps to see how it lays out.
General ball-park costs are as follows:
1) Single-dish connected client site - $600 (includes uplink dish and radio, access point and site router, and VOIP phoe)
2) Dual-dish connected client site - $900-$1100 (similar to above, connecting to 2 or more other sites)
3) Fully populated cell site - $2500-$4500, depending on number of links, sectors, etc.
Give a shout if you have more questions.
Cheers,
Rob Salsgiver – NR3O
*From:* PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] *On Behalf Of *Jamie Hughes *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:16 AM *To:* Puget Sound Data Ring *Subject:* [HamWAN PSDR] Bill of Materials for Cell Site
Good Morning,
The Kitsap Auxiliary Radio Service (KARS), DEM affiliate organization, would like to investigate the deployment possibility of a low altitude ring between sites, yet to be identified. The idea would be to build out a few cell sites just at lower altitudes that hopefully create a backup/redundant data ring if possible.
If this is possible and authorized, may I please get a bill of materials and approximate cost of those materials.
Thanks,
*Jamie Hughes*
WA7JH
Mobile: (360) 340-8886 <+13603408886>
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
Somewhat related... Which is to say distributing connectivity on a local basis to stations which cannot access HamWAN directly.... The West Seattle Group is exploring a 2.4 GHZ AREDN Mesh Network to fill in some coverage holes. We're fortunate to have 5 permanent HamWAN client stations in West Seattle, but have others who are interested but cant connect due to Trees/Topography. We're hoping that a Mesh operating on 2.397 or 2.402 (Ham specific frequencies) might extend connectivity to include more users. https://www.arednmesh.org/ On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 1:14 PM Dylan Ambauen <dylan@ambauen.com> wrote:
Jamie, As a Kitsap resident, I am also interested in your project, and would like to help. Let's meet up in Bremerton. I can help with your Bill of Materials questions... weighing the various options will certainly be easier in a 30 minute discussion, and I can give you a visual on the HamWAN gear we use to host a server for PNW DMR. I have some spare gear too, for field tests. Please contact me off-list.
KI7SBI Dylan
--- Dylan Ambauen 360-850-1200
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 1:08 PM Rob Salsgiver <rob@nr3o.com> wrote:
Jamie,
Good to meet you. It is entirely possible and authorized – even encouraged. I just held a discussion on the topic at Comm Academy this year, and part of the focus was on building communications “communities”.
Most of the initial focus is usually getting a location connected to the HamWAN “backbone” – or one of the high level mountain-top sites. This is almost never possible when looking at an entire community, so it makes sense to build local cells to connect facilities within the community. In an ideal world your local community would create 2 or 3 cells, allowing each key facility with town to be connected to 2 sites for redundancy. In turn, the community “hub” if you will, would also have 2 or more connections out to the Puget Sound HamWAN backbone for connections to the rest of the world.
In the event that the trunks out to the Puget Sound HamWAN backbone are taken down, you still have communications within your community between fire, police, city hall, school district, public works, shelter sites, or whomever else you want to add.
Because each site and case is different, a fixed Bill of Materials is hard to nail down. We can easily give you a few examples, but your needs will be unique to who(m) you want to connect, and how you want to connect them.
I would encourage you to start gathering a list of points you would like to connect (names, phone numbers, addresses, GPS coordinates). With this you can start doing some ground-work on good starting sites to explore and how many facilities can be covered by them.
You may already be a mile ahead of me on some of this, if so I apologize. Even so it may be good for others on the list.
If you have a list of potential client and cell sites you are focused on, let me know and I can help look at coverage maps to see how it lays out.
General ball-park costs are as follows:
1) Single-dish connected client site - $600 (includes uplink dish and radio, access point and site router, and VOIP phoe)
2) Dual-dish connected client site - $900-$1100 (similar to above, connecting to 2 or more other sites)
3) Fully populated cell site - $2500-$4500, depending on number of links, sectors, etc.
Give a shout if you have more questions.
Cheers,
Rob Salsgiver – NR3O
*From:* PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] *On Behalf Of *Jamie Hughes *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:16 AM *To:* Puget Sound Data Ring *Subject:* [HamWAN PSDR] Bill of Materials for Cell Site
Good Morning,
The Kitsap Auxiliary Radio Service (KARS), DEM affiliate organization, would like to investigate the deployment possibility of a low altitude ring between sites, yet to be identified. The idea would be to build out a few cell sites just at lower altitudes that hopefully create a backup/redundant data ring if possible.
If this is possible and authorized, may I please get a bill of materials and approximate cost of those materials.
Thanks,
*Jamie Hughes*
WA7JH
Mobile: (360) 340-8886 <+13603408886>
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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Jamie Hughes -
John D. Hays -
Randy Neals -
Rob Salsgiver