Confirming Client Hardware page is current
Hello, I'm new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page (https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html ). I didn't see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current? Thanks so much, Jon aka N7JWW
I think mostly, but more important question for you is: Where are you, and what HamWAN site(s) do you want to try to connect to. Do you have true line of sight? Given that information, we (many/any of us) may be able to offer suggestions that might best serve your use case. Carl, N7KUW From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> On Behalf Of n7jww@westseattlearc.org Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 2:38 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current Hello, I'm new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page (https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html ). I didn't see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current? Thanks so much, Jon aka N7JWW
Hi Carl, Thanks for reaching out. I am 3 blocks west of California in West Seattle. That puts me about 90' below the ridge so I have a difficult time hitting anything to the east. I have good luck with UHF to the tower at Myrtle but I do not have true line of sight. I do have an unobstructed view to the west so I was thinking Gold Mountain would be my best bet. Gold Mountain is about 19 miles due west of me. Jon aka N7JWW From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> On Behalf Of carl@n7kuw.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:09 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' <psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current I think mostly, but more important question for you is: Where are you, and what HamWAN site(s) do you want to try to connect to. Do you have true line of sight? Given that information, we (many/any of us) may be able to offer suggestions that might best serve your use case. Carl, N7KUW From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> > On Behalf Of n7jww@westseattlearc.org <mailto:n7jww@westseattlearc.org> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 2:38 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current Hello, I'm new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page (https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html ). I didn't see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current? Thanks so much, Jon aka N7JWW
Hi Jon! I'm in a very similar boat and I'm glad that you opened this thread. I live up in Mill Creek but I work downtown. I considered pointing to Gold Mountain from the downtown office, but I think I might have a far better chance pointing at Haystack Mountain from my place. I'm still a little challenged in identifying the exact direction and verifying line-of-sight, in part because I'm not 100% certain on the exact GPS coordinates of Haystack. Maybe someone else has them on hand. Anyway, I'm currently comparing hardware, same as you. I'm going 21 miles or so, but I'm going to put it on a pole so weight and cost matter. I'm currently caught between the high-gain DynaDish and the LHG line. I've gotten thoughts from this mailing list and the Cascada Radio group on Slack, and I just haven't decided yet. The Client Hardware list is a fantastic way to get started, but I'm not sure if its current, as some of the links no longer work, and its missing some MikroTik dishes, such as the full LHG line that can be seen on https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-systems For example, the Client Hardware page links to this LHG dish: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5nd-5ghz-lhg-24-5dbi-802-11an-2x2-... which has 24.5 dBi gain. However, https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5hpnd-xl-5ghz-lhg-27dbi-802-11an-2... seems like a higher-gain version and in the description it says: "We are adding two new models to our LHG product family, the LHG HP5 (high power) and LHG XL HP5 (extra large, high power).The LHG XL HP5 has a bigger 27dBi antenna with 630mW TX output power, designed to reach up to 40km in point-to-point setups at full speed." Both the HP5 and the XL HP5 seem to have better wind handling due to their grid pattern, but I don't know if they support MIMO. I searched LHG XL HP5's product page on https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL without success, but I'm new to this so perhaps someone else can advise about this. Anyway, I think both should be added to the page to help with a full comparison. As I said, right now I'm also considering the DynaDish listed here: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rbdynadishg-5hacd-5ghz-dynadish-23dbi-80... but I'll wait for the word in MIMO support in the LHG line before I decide. Since you're working over similar distances, it might be useful to do these comparisons too. I know KG7SXF has hit Haystack with a DynaDish 5 on a pole at similar distances, so that works at least! Anyway, best of luck! Jesse KJ7YLS \-------- Original Message -------- On Jun 28, 2021, 3:28 PM, < n7jww@westseattlearc.org> wrote:
Hi Carl,
Thanks for reaching out.
I am 3 blocks west of California in West Seattle. That puts me about 90’ below the ridge so I have a difficult time hitting anything to the east. I have good luck with UHF to the tower at Myrtle but I do not have true line of sight. I do have an unobstructed view to the west so I was thinking Gold Mountain would be my best bet. Gold Mountain is about 19 miles due west of me.
Jon aka N7JWW
**From:** PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> On Behalf Of carl@n7kuw.com **Sent:** Monday, June 28, 2021 3:09 PM **To:** 'Puget Sound Data Ring' <psdr@hamwan.org> **Subject:** Re: \[HamWAN PSDR\] Confirming Client Hardware page is current
I think mostly, but more important question for you is: Where are you, and what HamWAN site(s) do you want to try to connect to. Do you have true line of sight? Given that information, we (many/any of us) may be able to offer suggestions that might best serve your use case.
Carl, N7KUW
**From:** PSDR <[psdr-bounces@hamwan.org][psdr-bounces_hamwan.org]> **On Behalf Of** [n7jww@westseattlearc.org][n7jww_westseattlearc.org] **Sent:** Monday, June 28, 2021 2:38 PM **To:** [psdr@hamwan.org][psdr_hamwan.org] **Subject:** \[HamWAN PSDR\] Confirming Client Hardware page is current
Hello,
I’m new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page (https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html). I didn’t see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current?
Thanks so much,
Jon aka N7JWW
[psdr-bounces_hamwan.org]: mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org [n7jww_westseattlearc.org]: mailto:n7jww@westseattlearc.org [psdr_hamwan.org]: mailto:psdr@hamwan.org
All, We try to make the client hardware list a good reference, but bear in mind that we’ve listed models we *KNOW* work. IE, someone has purchased and used them with success. We are not trying to maintain a list of every possible model that *probably* works. If you’ve bought a model that isn’t on the list, and it does work, we’ll gladly add it. In terms of broken links, apologies. I’ll try to take a look at that a bit later. It is difficult keeping up with external vendors that change a given URL at their discretion. The model numbers listed should remain valid for folks searching for modems. The short version on compatibility is you *MUST* get the international version, Streakwave fairly reliably has them (which is why we’ve typically linked there), there are other vendors that do sometimes as well. And you 99.9% of the time cannot use an “AC” model. The “AC” models mostly cannot do the narrower 5MHz/10MHz channel spacings we use for HamWAN. The “AN” models will do the narrow spacing. Beyond getting the N spec, and international version, most things *should* (but we have not tested and cannot guarantee everything) work. I know there are a number of new models with various gain/wind/combo/etc options. As noted above, if you try one not on the list and it works, let us know and we’ll be happy to add it. We just can’t guarantee they will work. Nigel
On Jun 28, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Jesse Victors via PSDR <psdr@hamwan.org> wrote:
Hi Jon!
I'm in a very similar boat and I'm glad that you opened this thread. I live up in Mill Creek but I work downtown. I considered pointing to Gold Mountain from the downtown office, but I think I might have a far better chance pointing at Haystack Mountain from my place. I'm still a little challenged in identifying the exact direction and verifying line-of-sight, in part because I'm not 100% certain on the exact GPS coordinates of Haystack. Maybe someone else has them on hand.
Anyway, I'm currently comparing hardware, same as you. I'm going 21 miles or so, but I'm going to put it on a pole so weight and cost matter. I'm currently caught between the high-gain DynaDish and the LHG line. I've gotten thoughts from this mailing list and the Cascada Radio group on Slack, and I just haven't decided yet.
The Client Hardware list is a fantastic way to get started, but I'm not sure if its current, as some of the links no longer work, and its missing some MikroTik dishes, such as the full LHG line that can be seen on https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-systems <https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-systems>
For example, the Client Hardware page links to this LHG dish: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5nd-5ghz-lhg-24-5dbi-802-11an-2x2-... <https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5nd-5ghz-lhg-24-5dbi-802-11an-2x2-row> which has 24.5 dBi gain. However, https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5hpnd-xl-5ghz-lhg-27dbi-802-11an-2... <https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5hpnd-xl-5ghz-lhg-27dbi-802-11an-2x2-row> seems like a higher-gain version and in the description it says:
"We are adding two new models to our LHG product family, the LHG HP5 (high power) and LHG XL HP5 (extra large, high power).The LHG XL HP5 has a bigger 27dBi antenna with 630mW TX output power, designed to reach up to 40km in point-to-point setups at full speed."
Both the HP5 and the XL HP5 seem to have better wind handling due to their grid pattern, but I don't know if they support MIMO. I searched LHG XL HP5's product page on https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL <https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL> without success, but I'm new to this so perhaps someone else can advise about this. Anyway, I think both should be added to the page to help with a full comparison.
As I said, right now I'm also considering the DynaDish listed here: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rbdynadishg-5hacd-5ghz-dynadish-23dbi-80... <https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rbdynadishg-5hacd-5ghz-dynadish-23dbi-802-11ac-outdoor-row> but I'll wait for the word in MIMO support in the LHG line before I decide. Since you're working over similar distances, it might be useful to do these comparisons too. I know KG7SXF has hit Haystack with a DynaDish 5 on a pole at similar distances, so that works at least!
Anyway, best of luck!
Jesse KJ7YLS
-------- Original Message -------- On Jun 28, 2021, 3:28 PM, < n7jww@westseattlearc.org> wrote:
Hi Carl,
Thanks for reaching out.
I am 3 blocks west of California in West Seattle. That puts me about 90’ below the ridge so I have a difficult time hitting anything to the east. I have good luck with UHF to the tower at Myrtle but I do not have true line of sight. I do have an unobstructed view to the west so I was thinking Gold Mountain would be my best bet. Gold Mountain is about 19 miles due west of me.
Jon aka N7JWW
From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> On Behalf Of carl@n7kuw.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:09 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' <psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current
I think mostly, but more important question for you is: Where are you, and what HamWAN site(s) do you want to try to connect to. Do you have true line of sight? Given that information, we (many/any of us) may be able to offer suggestions that might best serve your use case. Carl, N7KUW
From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org>> On Behalf Of n7jww@westseattlearc.org <mailto:n7jww@westseattlearc.org> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 2:38 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current
Hello,
I’m new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page (https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html <https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html>). I didn’t see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current?
Thanks so much, Jon aka N7JWW _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
What “downtown” do you work, Seattle? There are two sites in Seattle, one on Capitol Hill and one on Beacon Hill. Chances are you could connect to either/both of those. Haystack is at 47° 48’ 33.24” N, 121° 45’ 2.83” W Carl, N7KUW From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Victors via PSDR Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 6:03 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current Hi Jon! I'm in a very similar boat and I'm glad that you opened this thread. I live up in Mill Creek but I work downtown. I considered pointing to Gold Mountain from the downtown office, but I think I might have a far better chance pointing at Haystack Mountain from my place. I'm still a little challenged in identifying the exact direction and verifying line-of-sight, in part because I'm not 100% certain on the exact GPS coordinates of Haystack. Maybe someone else has them on hand. Anyway, I'm currently comparing hardware, same as you. I'm going 21 miles or so, but I'm going to put it on a pole so weight and cost matter. I'm currently caught between the high-gain DynaDish and the LHG line. I've gotten thoughts from this mailing list and the Cascada Radio group on Slack, and I just haven't decided yet. The Client Hardware list is a fantastic way to get started, but I'm not sure if its current, as some of the links no longer work, and its missing some MikroTik dishes, such as the full LHG line that can be seen on https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-systems For example, the Client Hardware page links to this LHG dish: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5nd-5ghz-lhg-24-5dbi-802-11an-2x2-... which has 24.5 dBi gain. However, https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5hpnd-xl-5ghz-lhg-27dbi-802-11an-2... seems like a higher-gain version and in the description it says: "We are adding two new models to our LHG product family, the LHG HP5 (high power) and LHG XL HP5 (extra large, high power).The LHG XL HP5 has a bigger 27dBi antenna with 630mW TX output power, designed to reach up to 40km in point-to-point setups at full speed." Both the HP5 and the XL HP5 seem to have better wind handling due to their grid pattern, but I don't know if they support MIMO. I searched LHG XL HP5's product page on https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL without success, but I'm new to this so perhaps someone else can advise about this. Anyway, I think both should be added to the page to help with a full comparison. As I said, right now I'm also considering the DynaDish listed here: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rbdynadishg-5hacd-5ghz-dynadish-23dbi-80... but I'll wait for the word in MIMO support in the LHG line before I decide. Since you're working over similar distances, it might be useful to do these comparisons too. I know KG7SXF has hit Haystack with a DynaDish 5 on a pole at similar distances, so that works at least! Anyway, best of luck! Jesse KJ7YLS -------- Original Message -------- On Jun 28, 2021, 3:28 PM, < n7jww@westseattlearc.org <mailto:n7jww@westseattlearc.org> > wrote: Hi Carl, Thanks for reaching out. I am 3 blocks west of California in West Seattle. That puts me about 90’ below the ridge so I have a difficult time hitting anything to the east. I have good luck with UHF to the tower at Myrtle but I do not have true line of sight. I do have an unobstructed view to the west so I was thinking Gold Mountain would be my best bet. Gold Mountain is about 19 miles due west of me. Jon aka N7JWW From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> > On Behalf Of carl@n7kuw.com <mailto:carl@n7kuw.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:09 PM To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' <psdr@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr@hamwan.org> > Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current I think mostly, but more important question for you is: Where are you, and what HamWAN site(s) do you want to try to connect to. Do you have true line of sight? Given that information, we (many/any of us) may be able to offer suggestions that might best serve your use case. Carl, N7KUW From: PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> > On Behalf Of n7jww@westseattlearc.org <mailto:n7jww@westseattlearc.org> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 2:38 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org <mailto:psdr@hamwan.org> Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current Hello, I’m new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page (https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html). I didn’t see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current? Thanks so much, Jon aka N7JWW
The lhg5 hp xls works fine with hamwan most of the client radios connected to hamwan in central bc are of the lhg series. Just make sure you dont get the ac or usa versions. On Mon., Jun. 28, 2021, 18:44 , <carl@n7kuw.com> wrote:
What “downtown” do you work, Seattle? There are two sites in Seattle, one on Capitol Hill and one on Beacon Hill. Chances are you could connect to either/both of those.
Haystack is at 47° 48’ 33.24” N, 121° 45’ 2.83” W
Carl, N7KUW
*From:* PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> *On Behalf Of *Jesse Victors via PSDR *Sent:* Monday, June 28, 2021 6:03 PM *To:* psdr@hamwan.org *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current
Hi Jon!
I'm in a very similar boat and I'm glad that you opened this thread. I live up in Mill Creek but I work downtown. I considered pointing to Gold Mountain from the downtown office, but I think I might have a far better chance pointing at Haystack Mountain from my place. I'm still a little challenged in identifying the exact direction and verifying line-of-sight, in part because I'm not 100% certain on the exact GPS coordinates of Haystack. Maybe someone else has them on hand.
Anyway, I'm currently comparing hardware, same as you. I'm going 21 miles or so, but I'm going to put it on a pole so weight and cost matter. I'm currently caught between the high-gain DynaDish and the LHG line. I've gotten thoughts from this mailing list and the Cascada Radio group on Slack, and I just haven't decided yet.
The Client Hardware list is a fantastic way to get started, but I'm not sure if its current, as some of the links no longer work, and its missing some MikroTik dishes, such as the full LHG line that can be seen on https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-systems
For example, the Client Hardware page links to this LHG dish: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5nd-5ghz-lhg-24-5dbi-802-11an-2x2-... which has 24.5 dBi gain. However, https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5hpnd-xl-5ghz-lhg-27dbi-802-11an-2... seems like a higher-gain version and in the description it says:
"We are adding two new models to our LHG product family, the LHG HP5 (high power) and LHG XL HP5 (extra large, high power).The LHG XL HP5 has a bigger 27dBi antenna with 630mW TX output power, designed to reach up to 40km in point-to-point setups at full speed."
Both the HP5 and the XL HP5 seem to have better wind handling due to their grid pattern, but I don't know if they support MIMO. I searched LHG XL HP5's product page on https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL without success, but I'm new to this so perhaps someone else can advise about this. Anyway, I think both should be added to the page to help with a full comparison.
As I said, right now I'm also considering the DynaDish listed here: https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rbdynadishg-5hacd-5ghz-dynadish-23dbi-80... but I'll wait for the word in MIMO support in the LHG line before I decide. Since you're working over similar distances, it might be useful to do these comparisons too. I know KG7SXF has hit Haystack with a DynaDish 5 on a pole at similar distances, so that works at least!
Anyway, best of luck!
Jesse KJ7YLS
-------- Original Message -------- On Jun 28, 2021, 3:28 PM, < n7jww@westseattlearc.org> wrote:
Hi Carl,
Thanks for reaching out.
I am 3 blocks west of California in West Seattle. That puts me about 90’ below the ridge so I have a difficult time hitting anything to the east. I have good luck with UHF to the tower at Myrtle but I do not have true line of sight. I do have an unobstructed view to the west so I was thinking Gold Mountain would be my best bet. Gold Mountain is about 19 miles due west of me.
Jon aka N7JWW
*From:* PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> *On Behalf Of *carl@n7kuw.com *Sent:* Monday, June 28, 2021 3:09 PM *To:* 'Puget Sound Data Ring' <psdr@hamwan.org> *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current
I think mostly, but more important question for you is: Where are you, and what HamWAN site(s) do you want to try to connect to. Do you have true line of sight? Given that information, we (many/any of us) may be able to offer suggestions that might best serve your use case.
Carl, N7KUW
*From:* PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> *On Behalf Of * n7jww@westseattlearc.org *Sent:* Monday, June 28, 2021 2:38 PM *To:* psdr@hamwan.org *Subject:* [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current
Hello,
I’m new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page ( https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html). I didn’t see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current?
Thanks so much,
Jon aka N7JWW
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Nigel Vander Houwen