I got all my equipment, I was going to use this for my winlink packet system for the IP, what else can I use HamWAN for? Can I use it to browse google? I don’t know what it’s limitations are, video streaming is that out of the question? I know these might seem like stupid questions but I’m just curious what all I will be able to do after I get up and going? Thanks Everett W7EWH
Tad, HamWAN does have internet connectivity, but please be careful not to consider it a replacement for your commercial internet provider. Part 97 rules restrict usage of amateur radio frequencies, including for commercial usage or with encryption (HTTPS). Winlink would be a good use, there are a number of repeaters that have linking via HamWAN, there are several of our sites where we’ve installed streaming cameras for folks to watch. We very much intend HamWAN as a neutral network where you can run most any application you want as long as it stays clear of Part 97 rules and isn’t abusive. Nigel
On Sep 8, 2019, at 12:44, Tad Hope <tad.w.hope@gmail.com> wrote:
I got all my equipment, I was going to use this for my winlink packet system for the IP, what else can I use HamWAN for? Can I use it to browse google? I don’t know what it’s limitations are, video streaming is that out of the question? I know these might seem like stupid questions but I’m just curious what all I will be able to do after I get up and going? Thanks Everett W7EWH _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
Looks like I need to dive into part 97 to figure out what I can and can’t do. So basically if it’s a https site you cannot use it because of the encryption, that makes sense but for basic browsing will that violate the rules?
On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com> wrote:
Tad,
HamWAN does have internet connectivity, but please be careful not to consider it a replacement for your commercial internet provider. Part 97 rules restrict usage of amateur radio frequencies, including for commercial usage or with encryption (HTTPS). Winlink would be a good use, there are a number of repeaters that have linking via HamWAN, there are several of our sites where we’ve installed streaming cameras for folks to watch. We very much intend HamWAN as a neutral network where you can run most any application you want as long as it stays clear of Part 97 rules and isn’t abusive.
Nigel
On Sep 8, 2019, at 12:44, Tad Hope <tad.w.hope@gmail.com> wrote:
I got all my equipment, I was going to use this for my winlink packet system for the IP, what else can I use HamWAN for? Can I use it to browse google? I don’t know what it’s limitations are, video streaming is that out of the question? I know these might seem like stupid questions but I’m just curious what all I will be able to do after I get up and going? Thanks Everett W7EWH _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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Tad, Not so many years in the past, HTTPS/encryption was mainly used for banking, financial, and other "sensitive" web sites. Most of the web was un-encrypted (HTTP). But now fast forward to 2019: The vast majority of web sites on the internet are now encrypted (HTTPS), whether they are hosting sensitive content or not. More web sites are being encrypted daily. So if one does just about *any* web browsing (even at a basic level) on the Internet today, there's a good chance that some or all of the content encountered would be encrypted, and accessing it using HamWAN would violate Part 97 rules. Here's a fun fact: Even the web site: http://neverssl.com, which boasts itself as not using https encryption, and promises to never use https encryption: Has some encrypted https link on their web page! John (kx7jm) ---- On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:11:25 -0700 Tad Hope <tad.w.hope@gmail.com> wrote ---- Looks like I need to dive into part 97 to figure out what I can and can’t do. So basically if it’s a https site you cannot use it because of the encryption, that makes sense but for basic browsing will that violate the rules?
On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Nigel Vander Houwen <mailto:nigel@nigelvh.com> wrote:
Tad,
HamWAN does have internet connectivity, but please be careful not to consider it a replacement for your commercial internet provider. Part 97 rules restrict usage of amateur radio frequencies, including for commercial usage or with encryption (HTTPS). Winlink would be a good use, there are a number of repeaters that have linking via HamWAN, there are several of our sites where we’ve installed streaming cameras for folks to watch. We very much intend HamWAN as a neutral network where you can run most any application you want as long as it stays clear of Part 97 rules and isn’t abusive.
Nigel
On Sep 8, 2019, at 12:44, Tad Hope <mailto:tad.w.hope@gmail.com> wrote:
I got all my equipment, I was going to use this for my winlink packet system for the IP, what else can I use HamWAN for? Can I use it to browse google? I don’t know what it’s limitations are, video streaming is that out of the question? I know these might seem like stupid questions but I’m just curious what all I will be able to do after I get up and going? Thanks Everett W7EWH _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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Actually, not even Winlink complies anymore, unless you take steps to force the backup path. The default telnet connection uses SSL: *** Connecting to a CMS... *** *Connected to CMS-SSL* at 2019/09/08 23:43:12 [WL2K-5.0-B2FWIHJM$] ;PQ: 13183958 CMS> ;FW: NS7C WA7AUB|93065899 [RMS Express-1.5.23.0-B2FHM$] ;PR: 43469133 ; WL2K DE NS7C (CN87WH) FC EM YL830D4PUQ82 265 225 0 F> BA FS Y *** Sending YL830D4PUQ82. FF *** Completed send of message YL830D4PUQ82 *** Sent 1 message. Bytes: 259, Time: 00:00, bytes/minute: 30409 FQ *** --- End of session at 2019/09/08 23:43:18 --- *** Messages sent: 1. Total bytes sent: 259, Time: 00:05, bytes/minute: 2888 *** Messages Received: 0. Total bytes received: 0, Total session time: 00:05, bytes/minute: 0 *** Disconnecting *** Disconnected at 2019/09/08 23:43:18 --------- *And from the link test:* Test started 2019/09/08 23:46 UTC Testing CMS telnet connection to cms.winlink.org through port 8772... Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8772 in 260 Milliseconds Testing CMS SSL telnet connection to cms.winlink.org through port 8773... Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8773 in 328 Milliseconds Testing API service access through port 443 to api.winlink.org... Successfully performed API service to api.winlink.org thorugh port 443 in 0 Milliseconds Testing Autoupdate server access through port 443 to autoupdate2.winlink.org... Successfully checked autoupdate server thorugh port 443 in 334 Milliseconds Testing connection to web site - www.winlink.org:80 Successfully connected to www.winlink.org thorugh port 80 in 37 Milliseconds Testing FTP connection to SFI site - ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt Successfully connected to ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt thorugh port 20/21 in 2004 Milliseconds Test completed successfully. -------- It will fall back to a non-SSL connection if the SSL connection fails, so if you block port 8773 on the local firewall, it will go non-SSL: Test started 2019/09/09 00:08 UTC Testing CMS telnet connection to cms.winlink.org through port 8772... Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8772 in 147 Milliseconds Testing CMS SSL telnet connection to cms.winlink.org through port 8773... Error: --> Unable to connect to a CMS through port 8773 Testing API service access through port 443 to api.winlink.org... Successfully performed API service to api.winlink.org thorugh port 443 in 527 Milliseconds Testing Autoupdate server access through port 443 to autoupdate2.winlink.org... Successfully checked autoupdate server thorugh port 443 in 206 Milliseconds Testing connection to web site - www.winlink.org:80 Successfully connected to www.winlink.org thorugh port 80 in 31 Milliseconds Testing FTP connection to SFI site - ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt Successfully connected to ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt thorugh port 20/21 in 1528 Milliseconds Test completed. Errors were detected. -------- *And Telnet connection:* *** Connecting to a CMS... *** Connected to CMS at 2019/09/09 00:08:28 [WL2K-5.0-B2FWIHJM$] ;PQ: 77080554 CMS> ;FW: NS7C WA7AUB|57184971 [RMS Express-1.5.23.0-B2FHM$] ;PR: 55962530 ; WL2K DE NS7C (CN87WH) FF FQ *** --- End of session at 2019/09/09 00:08:29 --- *** Messages sent: 0. Total bytes sent: 0, Time: 00:00, bytes/minute: 0 *** Messages Received: 0. Total bytes received: 0, Total session time: 00:00, bytes/minute: 0 *** Disconnected at 2019/09/09 00:08:34 ---------- You probably have to block autoupdate as well..... -Scott, NS7C On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 1:10 PM Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com> wrote:
Tad,
HamWAN does have internet connectivity, but please be careful not to consider it a replacement for your commercial internet provider. Part 97 rules restrict usage of amateur radio frequencies, including for commercial usage or with encryption (HTTPS). Winlink would be a good use, there are a number of repeaters that have linking via HamWAN, there are several of our sites where we’ve installed streaming cameras for folks to watch. We very much intend HamWAN as a neutral network where you can run most any application you want as long as it stays clear of Part 97 rules and isn’t abusive.
Nigel
On Sep 8, 2019, at 12:44, Tad Hope <tad.w.hope@gmail.com> wrote:
I got all my equipment, I was going to use this for my winlink packet system for the IP, what else can I use HamWAN for? Can I use it to browse google? I don’t know what it’s limitations are, video streaming is that out of the question? I know these might seem like stupid questions but I’m just curious what all I will be able to do after I get up and going? Thanks Everett W7EWH _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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-- *-Scott*
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John C. Miller -
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Tad Hope