Facts about ham fundraising
Hello, We've now deployed 3 cell sites in the Puget Sound which cover a ton of area with microwave network service. A 4th one is being built, albeit more slowly than normal. Anyone in the region can try to use the network free of charge for digital comms and internet access. I've also done a couple talks recently in which I've asked for support so we may continue what we're doing and make it better over the upcoming year. So with the spirit of keeping my feelings out of it as much as I can, here are some basic fundraising facts: 1) APRS Summer Gathering conference. About 60 people in attendance. Conference + subjects focused on digital amateur networking. Total donations raised in the week of Sept 7th-14th? *$0* 2) ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference. About 150 people in attendance. Conference clearly focused on digital amateur communications due to its very title. Total donations raised as a result of the conference? *$20* That's 13 cents per attendee. Only 1 guy donated $20 (thanks, guy!). 98% of our support to date has been from a handful of dedicated donors. These people cannot support the whole project. We have about $3500 of debt, which now that it's October, has ceased to be interest-free. The interest rate is NOT friendly now, either. How can this lack of support from the ham community be corrected? --Bart
Greetings all, What to do about lack of support? Good question. I would like to contribute the following thoughts: 1) We have 3 sites with a good starting footprint. How many end-point users do we have? How many of those users are beyond the core donors and/or implementation or design team? The basic question here is - who is getting the benefit? (or is capable of getting the benefit) 2) What do we have for marketing, implementation, and end-user support for new users? If I'm an "average" end user, there's a few things I'm looking for before I shell out some cash on a one-time or recurring basis - especially in the present economy: a. Who are the target users? b. Do I even know about it, or how DO I find out about HamWAN? c. Am I in the coverage area? Can someone do a site survey before I dive in and buy equipment? What will my speeds be at my location, etc, etc? d. Is it required that I pay? Maybe it should be a small minimum - $5 or $10 / month, depending on data used. This gets into a whole host of other issues, but is a question. e. How resilient is the network? Many of us know an answer from the design standpoint, but the end-user's answer needs to be in terms of actual experience - i.e. - in the winter of 2013 my cable went out 4 times, but my HamWAN connection only once - during that record 4' snowfall! 3) One of the targeted uses of the network was EMCOMM. What EMCOMM related locations have we targeted to get onboard? Where are the potential served agencies located, and how many are in our current footprint? Success stories breed more interest. Ok - enough questions for the moment. Now for my own 2 cents worth. 1) Financial support: Not having additional financial support at this point doesn't surprise me a single bit. Ham projects are notorious for being over-promised and under-delivered. I do NOT believe that is the case with HamWAN, but that IS the mindset you are operating against. The core is now up and running. Support comes from answering the "what can you do for ME" question to the end-user. Those with enough drive and interest in the project will not need to be convinced. All others will. 2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations - not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint. 3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn't. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done "when all else fails" over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them - use D-RATs for a tactical "chat" interface between locations - who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?). 4) End-users (Repeater owners): Keep after these folks. Many repeaters aren't online because of lack of availability. Others already have it and could potentially save $$$. At the same time it helps increase the system footprint and redundancy. We need a person or two to get a list of the repeaters and start compiling names and how to get in touch with them. If a repeater owner is currently paying $50/month to have their system on the 'net and we can save them half - it helps them AND us. I have to admit that I can't get online - and probably won't for some time due to my location. All the same, I'm still contributing to the cause because I believe in it and it's very worthwhile. It's amazing what you guys have accomplished over the summer - you should be extremely proud of yourselves. At the same time, we need to realize that long-term success is not going to come in 3, 6, 12, or even 24 months. It will be a grind that will sometimes make us want to throw in the towel, but it CAN and SHOULD be done. We all know how important and vital it can be - we simply need to shift to the next phase of getting people onboard and USING it. Winter is a GREAT time to develop some end-user success stories. Cable and power WILL go out. If we had a network map that showed current network status including a few hospitals, Emergency Management offices, Red Cross chapter, and a dozen willing end-users that stayed online when 100,000 customers were out of power around Puget Sound this winter, that would make a HUGE impact to even the typical "tightwads" in the ham community <g>. </end> Cheers, Rob From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Bart Kus Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:22 AM To: psdr@hamwan.org Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] Facts about ham fundraising Hello, We've now deployed 3 cell sites in the Puget Sound which cover a ton of area with microwave network service. A 4th one is being built, albeit more slowly than normal. Anyone in the region can try to use the network free of charge for digital comms and internet access. I've also done a couple talks recently in which I've asked for support so we may continue what we're doing and make it better over the upcoming year. So with the spirit of keeping my feelings out of it as much as I can, here are some basic fundraising facts: 1) APRS Summer Gathering conference. About 60 people in attendance. Conference + subjects focused on digital amateur networking. Total donations raised in the week of Sept 7th-14th? $0 2) ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference. About 150 people in attendance. Conference clearly focused on digital amateur communications due to its very title. Total donations raised as a result of the conference? $20 That's 13 cents per attendee. Only 1 guy donated $20 (thanks, guy!). 98% of our support to date has been from a handful of dedicated donors. These people cannot support the whole project. We have about $3500 of debt, which now that it's October, has ceased to be interest-free. The interest rate is NOT friendly now, either. How can this lack of support from the ham community be corrected? --Bart
I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others... On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net> wrote:
2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations – not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County. I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn’t. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done “when all else fails” over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them – use D-RATs for a tactical “chat” interface between locations – who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.). If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation. Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome. I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues. Tom KD7LXL
Several of the points that Rob brought up really ring true to me. I'm not a core member of this group, but I've been encouraged by what has been accomplished and I'm trying to assist where possible. (I even bought all the equipment and spent several days on the roof of my house and at the top of my tower trying to get online) When I look at the node map, I see only a few people who have managed to connect to the system. They are all what I'd consider 'core members' of HamWAN. I would consider this typical, but it isn't something the typical ham is going to consider encouraging. (Why are there so few users? Is it to difficult to get online? Is it really expensive? Who am I going to talk to, nobody I know is on there?) I believe getting your next 10 users on the air should be a goal for the group. Try to make these next 10 users spread out across the coverage area and hopefully connected to different ham radio groups. These 10 people will drive your next 50 users would be my guess. At that point people will start feeling like they should contribute to the cost of the system. The nice thing is that getting users online shouldn't require access to mountain tops or climbing towers during the winter. Hopefully it is a low cost activity, maybe only requiring some loaner equipment or something to confirm the users can get online. And I know someone who is on the board of the WWARA, which handles repeater coordinations.... Just my two cents.... 73, Kenny On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others...
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net> wrote:
2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations – not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County.
I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn’t. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done “when all else fails” over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them – use D-RATs for a tactical “chat” interface between locations – who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.).
If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation.
Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome.
I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues.
Tom KD7LXL
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Tom, Thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion. My comment regarding D-Rats is more from an application standpoint than a program or (RF) technology one. Email fits for a lot of things, but short quick texts in a tactical situation have their place as well. I'm a part of the SnoCo ACS group at the EOC, so I'm definitely up to speed there. Some time ago I posed the question about bringing our hospitals and Red Cross chapter online as users, but that was before we had the 3 sites up that we have now. I can easily work through SnoCo DEM, the ARES folks, and the served agencies to put them online if everyone thinks we are ready for it. Depending on lines of sight, we have good possibilities for Providence Medical Center in Everett, Valley General in Monroe, Everett Clinic in Everett, and the Red Cross chapter as openers. We also have Stevens Hospital and Cascade in Arlington that might be secondary sites. (Arlington isn't likely at this point of our core coverage though). I have the equipment to put together a demo for any or all of those sites. If we as a HamWAN family think we are ready for that, I'll start working on a demo setup I can take on the road and work with the SnoCo DEM and ACS guys on seeing what we can do. Cheers, Rob Salsgiver - NR3O -----Original Message----- The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.). If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation. Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome. I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues. Tom KD7LXL _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.org/mailman/listinfo/psdr_hamwan.org
I see three issues *1. Coverage - Will it work for me?* That's coming along nicely but is far from universal. Some demos at some events could really make a difference. If we can hook a couple EOCs together, we'll really have something! I can get introductions into most any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them. Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting. *2. Ease of installation - How can I play?* The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile radio. The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie. More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be helpful. Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios. I love that idea! Plug it in, point the antenna and play. *3. Applications - What can I do with it?* Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion. DRATS has a Telnet mode that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm applications in a single package. Showing someone another network to run Outlook over isn't particularly compelling. What if Internet access is lost to your mail server? Well then you can't run Outlook on any network. We need some native HAMWAN applications. A "Ratflector" is an easy one, Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else? I have some server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator. We can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those services. Scott N7SS On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others...
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net> wrote:
2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations – not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County.
I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn’t. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done “when all else fails” over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them – use D-RATs for a tactical “chat” interface between locations – who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.).
If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation.
Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome.
I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues.
Tom KD7LXL
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OK, one thing is loud and clear. We need mobile signal testing stations. I will try to spread some extra gear out to anyone in the group who would like to provide a mobile signal survey service to potential users, and has the skills to operate the gear. We'll also try to get pre-configured modems going. I'd like to sell these @ a slight premium to just the bare hardware, with the profit being a HamWAN donation. The applications will come with time. We're presently working on getting the server infrastructure in place to run applications in the first place. BTW, Scott, can I co-locate a 1U server @ Paine? I have it being setup here in my rack right now, but it'd be better to have it @ Paine. It's an HP DL360 G5. --Bart On 10/3/2013 3:48 PM, Scott Honaker wrote:
I see three issues *1. Coverage - Will it work for me?* That's coming along nicely but is far from universal. Some demos at some events could really make a difference. If we can hook a couple EOCs together, we'll really have something! I can get introductions into most any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them. Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting. *2. Ease of installation - How can I play?* The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile radio. The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie. More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be helpful. Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios. I love that idea! Plug it in, point the antenna and play. *3. Applications - What can I do with it?* Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion. DRATS has a Telnet mode that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm applications in a single package. Showing someone another network to run Outlook over isn't particularly compelling. What if Internet access is lost to your mail server? Well then you can't run Outlook on any network. We need some native HAMWAN applications. A "Ratflector" is an easy one, Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else? I have some server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator. We can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those services. Scott N7SS
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com <mailto:esarfl@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others...
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net <mailto:rob@quailsoftltd.net>> wrote: > 2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and > well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each > county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with > other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our > marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user > demonstrations -- not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County.
I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
> 3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need > advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency > Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have > 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully > hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even > then, basic connectivity isn't. We need hams in these locations to > demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done "when all else fails" > over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell > out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated > Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to > $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web > access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them -- use > D-RATs for a tactical "chat" interface between locations -- who knows? Maybe > interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links > (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.).
If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation.
Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome.
I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues.
Tom KD7LXL
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Bring on the server. I'll need to look at the wiring between our server room and the HamWAN equipment but we can make it work. I don't want that noisy thing in my equipment room :-) I'd like to create a portable system. I'm thinking a radio, dish, tripod and WAP. Does anyone have a clever dish/tripod mount thing? I'd like to find something that makes it easy to point/aim. Thanks, Scott N7SS On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:
OK, one thing is loud and clear. We need mobile signal testing stations. I will try to spread some extra gear out to anyone in the group who would like to provide a mobile signal survey service to potential users, and has the skills to operate the gear.
We'll also try to get pre-configured modems going. I'd like to sell these @ a slight premium to just the bare hardware, with the profit being a HamWAN donation.
The applications will come with time. We're presently working on getting the server infrastructure in place to run applications in the first place. BTW, Scott, can I co-locate a 1U server @ Paine? I have it being setup here in my rack right now, but it'd be better to have it @ Paine. It's an HP DL360 G5.
--Bart
On 10/3/2013 3:48 PM, Scott Honaker wrote:
I see three issues
*1. Coverage - Will it work for me?* That's coming along nicely but is far from universal. Some demos at some events could really make a difference. If we can hook a couple EOCs together, we'll really have something! I can get introductions into most any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them. Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting.
*2. Ease of installation - How can I play?* The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile radio. The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie. More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be helpful. Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios. I love that idea! Plug it in, point the antenna and play.
*3. Applications - What can I do with it?* Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion. DRATS has a Telnet mode that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm applications in a single package. Showing someone another network to run Outlook over isn't particularly compelling. What if Internet access is lost to your mail server? Well then you can't run Outlook on any network. We need some native HAMWAN applications. A "Ratflector" is an easy one, Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else? I have some server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator. We can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those services.
Scott N7SS
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others...
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net> wrote:
2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations – not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County.
I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn’t. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done “when all else fails” over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them – use D-RATs for a tactical “chat” interface between locations – who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.).
If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation.
Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome.
I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues.
Tom KD7LXL
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The existing recommended dish is pretty heavy, a little camera tripod probably wouldn't hold it. You'd need one of those big remote tv crew style tripods. Or you do the tv-on-the-roof-Radio-Shack style mount tripod. I'm interested in hearing ideas, since it appears the only way I'm going to get connected anytime soon is if I'm outing 'rovering' around. On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Scott Honaker <scotthon@pilchuckvet.com>wrote:
Bring on the server. I'll need to look at the wiring between our server room and the HamWAN equipment but we can make it work. I don't want that noisy thing in my equipment room :-)
I'd like to create a portable system. I'm thinking a radio, dish, tripod and WAP. Does anyone have a clever dish/tripod mount thing? I'd like to find something that makes it easy to point/aim.
Thanks,
Scott N7SS
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:
OK, one thing is loud and clear. We need mobile signal testing stations. I will try to spread some extra gear out to anyone in the group who would like to provide a mobile signal survey service to potential users, and has the skills to operate the gear.
We'll also try to get pre-configured modems going. I'd like to sell these @ a slight premium to just the bare hardware, with the profit being a HamWAN donation.
The applications will come with time. We're presently working on getting the server infrastructure in place to run applications in the first place. BTW, Scott, can I co-locate a 1U server @ Paine? I have it being setup here in my rack right now, but it'd be better to have it @ Paine. It's an HP DL360 G5.
--Bart
On 10/3/2013 3:48 PM, Scott Honaker wrote:
I see three issues
*1. Coverage - Will it work for me?* That's coming along nicely but is far from universal. Some demos at some events could really make a difference. If we can hook a couple EOCs together, we'll really have something! I can get introductions into most any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them. Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting.
*2. Ease of installation - How can I play?* The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile radio. The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie. More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be helpful. Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios. I love that idea! Plug it in, point the antenna and play.
*3. Applications - What can I do with it?* Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion. DRATS has a Telnet mode that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm applications in a single package. Showing someone another network to run Outlook over isn't particularly compelling. What if Internet access is lost to your mail server? Well then you can't run Outlook on any network. We need some native HAMWAN applications. A "Ratflector" is an easy one, Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else? I have some server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator. We can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those services.
Scott N7SS
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others...
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net> wrote:
2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations – not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County.
I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn’t. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done “when all else fails” over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them – use D-RATs for a tactical “chat” interface between locations – who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.).
If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation.
Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome.
I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues.
Tom KD7LXL
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I have a couple of things I'll be working on: I have a trailer mounted tower (35-40'), so I'll be working on a setup with an az/el rotor that will allow me to elevate and connect if a paths is available. Probably have an AP up at that height and/or down on the trailer as well. I'll also get another dish or grid (or two) and create a manual setup that I can take roof-top to some of our hospitals, Red Cross, or other locations to test from there. Once these are ready they can be used anywhere, but for the most part I live and move around in Snohomish County. Rob From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Bart Kus Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:19 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Facts about ham fundraising OK, one thing is loud and clear. We need mobile signal testing stations. I will try to spread some extra gear out to anyone in the group who would like to provide a mobile signal survey service to potential users, and has the skills to operate the gear. We'll also try to get pre-configured modems going. I'd like to sell these @ a slight premium to just the bare hardware, with the profit being a HamWAN donation. The applications will come with time. We're presently working on getting the server infrastructure in place to run applications in the first place. BTW, Scott, can I co-locate a 1U server @ Paine? I have it being setup here in my rack right now, but it'd be better to have it @ Paine. It's an HP DL360 G5. --Bart On 10/3/2013 3:48 PM, Scott Honaker wrote: I see three issues 1. Coverage - Will it work for me? That's coming along nicely but is far from universal. Some demos at some events could really make a difference. If we can hook a couple EOCs together, we'll really have something! I can get introductions into most any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them. Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting. 2. Ease of installation - How can I play? The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile radio. The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie. More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be helpful. Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios. I love that idea! Plug it in, point the antenna and play. 3. Applications - What can I do with it? Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion. DRATS has a Telnet mode that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm applications in a single package. Showing someone another network to run Outlook over isn't particularly compelling. What if Internet access is lost to your mail server? Well then you can't run Outlook on any network. We need some native HAMWAN applications. A "Ratflector" is an easy one, Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else? I have some server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator. We can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those services. Scott N7SS On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com> wrote: I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others... On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net> wrote:
2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations - not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County. I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn't. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done "when all else fails" over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them - use D-RATs for a tactical "chat" interface between locations - who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.). If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation. Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome. I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues. Tom KD7LXL _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.org/mailman/listinfo/psdr_hamwan.org _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.org/mailman/listinfo/psdr_hamwan.org
Hope you won't need that 5500 back soon, still hacking away on the control software for the 4D scanner. The rotor control part is all done actually, and now I'm (slowly) starting on the instrument control aspects. Spent a week or more trying to locate my GPIB controller due to the house move. Finally found it now, but still gotta wire the GPIB bus to the instruments. Gotta put a hole in the house to run cables outside. Multitasking this with standing up network services, home renovating, HamWAN Lab gear expansion (YES!), etc, and it goes slowly. Good idea on the signal surveys, we need more of those. Please record your peak signal @ each GPS location, and send them back to us for adding to a database. We should probably have instructions on how to do this, but basically use scan mode. You should also associate afterwards and measure data speed (there is no auth required on any of the bandwidth-test servers). But we don't track that in the DB right now. Email coming up on HamWAN Lab expansion. --Bart On 10/5/2013 7:29 PM, Rob Salsgiver wrote:
I have a couple of things I'll be working on:
I have a trailer mounted tower (35-40'), so I'll be working on a setup with an az/el rotor that will allow me to elevate and connect if a paths is available. Probably have an AP up at that height and/or down on the trailer as well.
I'll also get another dish or grid (or two) and create a manual setup that I can take roof-top to some of our hospitals, Red Cross, or other locations to test from there. Once these are ready they can be used anywhere, but for the most part I live and move around in Snohomish County.
Rob
*From:*PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] *On Behalf Of *Bart Kus *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 9:19 PM *To:* psdr@hamwan.org *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Facts about ham fundraising
OK, one thing is loud and clear. We need mobile signal testing stations. I will try to spread some extra gear out to anyone in the group who would like to provide a mobile signal survey service to potential users, and has the skills to operate the gear.
We'll also try to get pre-configured modems going. I'd like to sell these @ a slight premium to just the bare hardware, with the profit being a HamWAN donation.
The applications will come with time. We're presently working on getting the server infrastructure in place to run applications in the first place. BTW, Scott, can I co-locate a 1U server @ Paine? I have it being setup here in my rack right now, but it'd be better to have it @ Paine. It's an HP DL360 G5.
--Bart
On 10/3/2013 3:48 PM, Scott Honaker wrote:
I see three issues
*1. Coverage - Will it work for me?*
That's coming along nicely but is far from universal. Some demos at some events could really make a difference. If we can hook a couple EOCs together, we'll really have something! I can get introductions into most any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them. Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting.
*2. Ease of installation - How can I play?*
The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile radio. The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie. More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be helpful. Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios. I love that idea! Plug it in, point the antenna and play.
*3. Applications - What can I do with it?*
Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion. DRATS has a Telnet mode that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm applications in a single package. Showing someone another network to run Outlook over isn't particularly compelling. What if Internet access is lost to your mail server? Well then you can't run Outlook on any network. We need some native HAMWAN applications. A "Ratflector" is an easy one, Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else? I have some server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator. We can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those services.
Scott N7SS
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com <mailto:esarfl@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others...
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net <mailto:rob@quailsoftltd.net>> wrote: > 2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and > well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each > county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with > other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our > marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user > demonstrations -- not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County.
I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
> 3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need > advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency > Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have > 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully > hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even > then, basic connectivity isn't. We need hams in these locations to > demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done "when all else fails" > over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell > out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated > Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to > $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web > access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them -- use > D-RATs for a tactical "chat" interface between locations -- who knows? Maybe > interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links > (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.).
If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation.
Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome.
I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues.
Tom KD7LXL
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I will most likely look for another 5500 or similar rotor, as at the end of the day I would like to have one for satellite work, and another dedicated and available on the tower trailer for HamWAN connectivity, so I wouldn't worry about it. <g> I've got a note out to the SnoDEM ACS staff now for their input, and will let you know how that goes and when I'm ready for going onsite to test. I'll want to touch base with you to see what exact tests I should perform and what data to collect for best bang for the buck. Cheers, Rob From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Bart Kus Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 7:55 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Facts about ham fundraising Hope you won't need that 5500 back soon, still hacking away on the control software for the 4D scanner. The rotor control part is all done actually, and now I'm (slowly) starting on the instrument control aspects. Spent a week or more trying to locate my GPIB controller due to the house move. Finally found it now, but still gotta wire the GPIB bus to the instruments. Gotta put a hole in the house to run cables outside. Multitasking this with standing up network services, home renovating, HamWAN Lab gear expansion (YES!), etc, and it goes slowly. Good idea on the signal surveys, we need more of those. Please record your peak signal @ each GPS location, and send them back to us for adding to a database. We should probably have instructions on how to do this, but basically use scan mode. You should also associate afterwards and measure data speed (there is no auth required on any of the bandwidth-test servers). But we don't track that in the DB right now. Email coming up on HamWAN Lab expansion. --Bart On 10/5/2013 7:29 PM, Rob Salsgiver wrote: I have a couple of things I'll be working on: I have a trailer mounted tower (35-40'), so I'll be working on a setup with an az/el rotor that will allow me to elevate and connect if a paths is available. Probably have an AP up at that height and/or down on the trailer as well. I'll also get another dish or grid (or two) and create a manual setup that I can take roof-top to some of our hospitals, Red Cross, or other locations to test from there. Once these are ready they can be used anywhere, but for the most part I live and move around in Snohomish County. Rob From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Bart Kus Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:19 PM To: psdr@hamwan.org Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Facts about ham fundraising OK, one thing is loud and clear. We need mobile signal testing stations. I will try to spread some extra gear out to anyone in the group who would like to provide a mobile signal survey service to potential users, and has the skills to operate the gear. We'll also try to get pre-configured modems going. I'd like to sell these @ a slight premium to just the bare hardware, with the profit being a HamWAN donation. The applications will come with time. We're presently working on getting the server infrastructure in place to run applications in the first place. BTW, Scott, can I co-locate a 1U server @ Paine? I have it being setup here in my rack right now, but it'd be better to have it @ Paine. It's an HP DL360 G5. --Bart On 10/3/2013 3:48 PM, Scott Honaker wrote: I see three issues 1. Coverage - Will it work for me? That's coming along nicely but is far from universal. Some demos at some events could really make a difference. If we can hook a couple EOCs together, we'll really have something! I can get introductions into most any EOC in the area, if we have the coverage to do a demo for them. Perhaps some loaner units (for a small donation) would be interesting. 2. Ease of installation - How can I play? The price point is fantastic - about the same price as a 2m mobile radio. The web site is very helpful but a bit overwhelming for a newbie. More concise steps of what to buy and how to make it work would be helpful. Bart mentioned offering preconfigured radios. I love that idea! Plug it in, point the antenna and play. 3. Applications - What can I do with it? Rob hinted at this with the DRATS suggestion. DRATS has a Telnet mode that supports chat, file transfer, email and forms - all the emcomm applications in a single package. Showing someone another network to run Outlook over isn't particularly compelling. What if Internet access is lost to your mail server? Well then you can't run Outlook on any network. We need some native HAMWAN applications. A "Ratflector" is an easy one, Chat, Video Conferencing, VoIP phone service, what else? I have some server space at the Everett site with a 65KW UPS and 250KW generator. We can make that stuff live on the network but need a champion for those services. Scott N7SS On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Tom Hayward <esarfl@gmail.com> wrote: I'll take a stab at a few of these points and defer the others... On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob@quailsoftltd.net> wrote:
2) End-users (individual): We need to get more of our core online and well versed in the system. From those early users we need a few in each county or metro area that are willing to do site surveys and interact with other potential end users to get them onboard. We need to focus on our marketing, getting the message out (with success stories), and more end-user demonstrations - not just the equipment, but from an application standpoint.
I'll come out and do a site survey anywhere in Pierce County. I'll run a custom propagation model for anyone anywhere. This will tell you how tall of a tower you need to get HamWAN. HamWAN covers everything within 100 miles of a site if you have a tall enough tower ;-)
3) End-users (EMCOMM): We need some served agencies online. We need advocates outside of the ham world. Hospitals, Red Cross, Emergency Management offices, Salvation Army, maybe even a mobile station. If we have 3-4 hospitals, Red Cross chapters, or similar served agencies successfully hooked up, we have a working demonstration platform to work from. Even then, basic connectivity isn't. We need hams in these locations to demonstrate on an applications basis what can be done "when all else fails" over HamWAN. If we can convince 30-50 different served agencies to shell out the cost of a single cell phone each month to support a dedicated Internet connection that is disaster-resilient, then you have up to $2500/month coming in to support the infrastructure. Demonstrate email, web access, and maybe even some specialized goodies targeted at them - use D-RATs for a tactical "chat" interface between locations - who knows? Maybe interface with other digital gateways or extend over other RF links (D-Star?).
The Snohomish County EOC is online with HamWAN. I'd like to see other EOCs come online, but we don't have contacts there. HamWAN could be very useful for EOC-to-EOC communications (sending video, phone, etc.). If you have contacts in the EmComm world, talk to them! Or see if we can schedule a presentation. Heh, D-Rats is a patch to make D-Star useful. We can just show them email, "Look, you can still use Outlook!" Service decoupled from network: awesome. I don't see Internet as the end goal of HamWAN. HamWAN can facilitate communications between hams. EOC-to-EOC communication can take place completely over the HamWAN RF network, until a hole opens up in the earth and swallows one of our sites. Then we just route around the outage with Internet; communication continues. Tom KD7LXL _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.org/mailman/listinfo/psdr_hamwan.org _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.org/mailman/listinfo/psdr_hamwan.org _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.org/mailman/listinfo/psdr_hamwan.org
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