Map of AT&T Wash. Microwave Network - 1976
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US? On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
[image: image.png] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll... On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
[image: image.png] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space. On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen <darcyb@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll...
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
[image: image.png] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
Solid lines are microwave. Beaded lines are coaxial cable Dashed lines are copper. Usually screened pairs. Railways became routes for fiber in the competitive telco boom. Usually cable was placed along roads and occasionally along private right of way. On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:17 AM Paul Barwick <paulbarwick@gmail.com> wrote:
I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen <darcyb@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll...
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
[image: image.png] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
-- Sent from mobile.
Thanks! On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 8:16 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Solid lines are microwave. Beaded lines are coaxial cable Dashed lines are copper. Usually screened pairs.
Railways became routes for fiber in the competitive telco boom. Usually cable was placed along roads and occasionally along private right of way.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:17 AM Paul Barwick <paulbarwick@gmail.com> wrote:
I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen <darcyb@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll...
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
[image: image.png] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
-- Sent from mobile. _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
Are there similar maps for the other providers (e.g. Level3, Global Crossing, Verizon, etc?) On 5/5/19 8:18 AM, Paul Barwick wrote:
Thanks!
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 8:16 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca <mailto:randy@neals.ca>> wrote:
Solid lines are microwave. Beaded lines are coaxial cable Dashed lines are copper. Usually screened pairs.
Railways became routes for fiber in the competitive telco boom. Usually cable was placed along roads and occasionally along private right of way.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:17 AM Paul Barwick <paulbarwick@gmail.com <mailto:paulbarwick@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen <darcyb@gmail.com <mailto:darcyb@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll...
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com <mailto:electricity440@gmail.com>> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca <mailto:randy@neals.ca>> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
image.png _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
-- Sent from mobile. _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
not really, Som providers (such as Zayo) do publish some sort forms of their Point of Presence along with some detials for thie fiber route maps, but most everything needs to be gotten via a sales channel and will only be specific to a location you are enquiring about. trolling through the FCC's tower database may provide some insight into wireless POP's On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:23 PM Jenny Harkness <jenny@rjir-harkness.com> wrote:
Are there similar maps for the other providers (e.g. Level3, Global Crossing, Verizon, etc?) On 5/5/19 8:18 AM, Paul Barwick wrote:
Thanks!
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 8:16 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Solid lines are microwave. Beaded lines are coaxial cable Dashed lines are copper. Usually screened pairs.
Railways became routes for fiber in the competitive telco boom. Usually cable was placed along roads and occasionally along private right of way.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:17 AM Paul Barwick <paulbarwick@gmail.com> wrote:
I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen <darcyb@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll...
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
[image: image.png] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
-- Sent from mobile. _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing listPSDR@hamwan.orghttp://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
Yes, Of course Level 3 and Global Crossing are the same company - They are now known as Century Link. These articles have maps. https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/centurylink-level-3-tie-up-will-enhanc... https://www.zdnet.com/article/centurylinks-34-billion-purchase-of-level-3-cr... Verizon https://enterprise.verizon.com/why-verizon/#network And you'll find more maps here https://www.telecomramblings.com/network-maps/ Randy W3RWN On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:23 PM Jenny Harkness <jenny@rjir-harkness.com> wrote:
Are there similar maps for the other providers (e.g. Level3, Global Crossing, Verizon, etc?) On 5/5/19 8:18 AM, Paul Barwick wrote:
Thanks!
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 8:16 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Solid lines are microwave. Beaded lines are coaxial cable Dashed lines are copper. Usually screened pairs.
Railways became routes for fiber in the competitive telco boom. Usually cable was placed along roads and occasionally along private right of way.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:17 AM Paul Barwick <paulbarwick@gmail.com> wrote:
I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen <darcyb@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll...
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
[image: image.png] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
-- Sent from mobile. _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing listPSDR@hamwan.orghttp://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
There was a posting on Reddit awhile about these AT&T Long Lines network. https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/9yvidg/shes_coming_down/ Eric On 5/5/2019 8:18 AM, Paul Barwick wrote:
Thanks!
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 8:16 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca <mailto:randy@neals.ca>> wrote:
Solid lines are microwave. Beaded lines are coaxial cable Dashed lines are copper. Usually screened pairs.
Railways became routes for fiber in the competitive telco boom. Usually cable was placed along roads and occasionally along private right of way.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:17 AM Paul Barwick <paulbarwick@gmail.com <mailto:paulbarwick@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space.
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen <darcyb@gmail.com <mailto:darcyb@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll...
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com <mailto:electricity440@gmail.com>> wrote:
Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US?
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca <mailto:randy@neals.ca>> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
image.png _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
-- Sent from mobile. _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
I just looked at the Reddit link and noted the bizarre and uneducated comments posted about a historic but vital AT&T system that gave us TV and long distance telephone communication for many year starting in the late forties through the 90's when replaced by fiber optic cable. So much for history. Merle W7YOZ, Son of a 43 year AT&T long lines employee whose expertise got me started in ham radio 65 years ago From: "admin" <admin@off732.com> To: "Puget Sound Data Ring" <psdr@hamwan.org>, "Paul Barwick" <paulbarwick@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 6:40:44 PM Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Map of AT&T Wash. Microwave Network - 1976 There was a posting on Reddit awhile about these AT&T Long Lines network. [ https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/9yvidg/shes_coming_down/ | https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/9yvidg/shes_coming_down/ ] Eric On 5/5/2019 8:18 AM, Paul Barwick wrote: Thanks! On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 8:16 AM Randy Neals < [ mailto:randy@neals.ca | randy@neals.ca ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Solid lines are microwave. Beaded lines are coaxial cable Dashed lines are copper. Usually screened pairs. Railways became routes for fiber in the competitive telco boom. Usually cable was placed along roads and occasionally along private right of way. On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:17 AM Paul Barwick < [ mailto:paulbarwick@gmail.com | paulbarwick@gmail.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN I am guessing that the solid lines with the directional markings are microwave paths I wonder if the dashed lines are following railroad right of ways? I know that fiber optic cables run along the RR right of way now. I am not sure if they used to do the same thing with copper. Now that I think about it, there always used to be overhead cables or wires along the RR right of way. I had always assumed those were for RR communications. Perhaps I was wrong and they belonged to someone else who leased the space. On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:59 AM Darcy Buskermolen < [ mailto:darcyb@gmail.com | darcyb@gmail.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN [ https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll... | https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1S7cXpv02lAd4okrYqzDKna7Ekvo&ll... ] On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:48 AM Skyler F < [ mailto:electricity440@gmail.com | electricity440@gmail.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Where did you get that map? Could I find one of the whole US? On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Randy Neals < [ mailto:randy@neals.ca | randy@neals.ca ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Many of these sites may sound familiar. _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list [ mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org | PSDR@hamwan.org ] [ http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr | http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr ] _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list [ mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org | PSDR@hamwan.org ] [ http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr | http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list [ mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org | PSDR@hamwan.org ] [ http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr | http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list [ mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org | PSDR@hamwan.org ] [ http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr | http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr ] BQ_END -- Sent from mobile. _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list [ mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org | PSDR@hamwan.org ] [ http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr | http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list [ mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org | PSDR@hamwan.org ] [ http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr | http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
I wish I had the money back when AT&T put a bunch of these sites up for sale. https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/02/09/11/230203/discarded-att-microwave-...
On May 5, 2019, at 01:44, Randy Neals <randy@neals.ca> wrote:
Many of these sites may sound familiar.
_______________________________________________ PSDR mailing list PSDR@hamwan.org http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
participants (8)
-
admin -
Darcy Buskermolen -
Jenny Harkness -
MERLE COX -
Nick Kartsioukas -
Paul Barwick -
Randy Neals -
Skyler F