Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft? .. and TV cartoons?
If you don't want someone to counter your argument, You probably shouldn't have added it in the first place. Have a great day! On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 1:08 AM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
I did not say HamWan had such a list. The idea of "list" seems out of touch with the type of FCC regulatory language we have. I referred to Part 97, etc that is the overall basis for amateur radio to exist. "having fun" is not explicit in the mission and purpose. Perhaps kiddie TV cartoons and Laurel and Hardy re-runs should also be archived and regularly shown. That would be part of the "having fun" list of things, wouldn't it? I think we completely disagree and I'm not interested in debating this further.
-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Owens Sent: Sep 27, 2020 2:35 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Chuck, I don't recall reading a list of things you CANNOT use HamWAN for. Only that you cannot use encryption. If they set limits on the internet in the early days we would not be where we are now. Cannot restrict everything and expect any sort of good development to ever happen.
The limits re:encryption are as far as it should go, other than blatant abuse such as downloading massive amounts or doing other things that affect the performance of the network I do not see how there is any harm in trying to see the usefulness of the network while having a little fun.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 10:46 PM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gaming (ie, pure diversion) sounds contrary to letter and spirit of the FCC authorizations for amateur service.
I prefer that such things become specific prohibitions and maybe even punishable offenses since they can jeopardize our having any privileges. There is no political up side for diversionary gaming. If games were an explicit part of experimentation to improve bandwidth and reduce latency, AND data was both collected and reported in a useful manner, THEN games may be OK.
Chuck K4TZO
-----Original Message----- From: Bart Kus Sent: Sep 27, 2020 1:08 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Hello,
I've come to realize that games seem compatible with Part 97. So let's run a test of this on HamWAN. I've setup a Minecraft Bedrock server on " minecraft.hamwan.net" port 19133. The world has been initiated from the seed "HamWAN". :) If you'd like to build some ham radio related world, please join and have a go. I expect many antennas!
I've set the game rules to pvp=off (no hitting each other), and showcoordinates=true (so people can find each other).
I'd like to hear reports of how the gaming experience is over HamWAN, so access to the server is limited to ARDC addresses only. That is, you've gotta be connecting from 44.0.0.0/9 or 44.128.0.0/10 address space.
Have fun! And remember, don't dig down <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQclHtsEE8>.
--Bart
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Bart, Thanks for putting this together. Ill let the folks in Memphis know that this network exclusive service is now available, I'm sure folks will geta kick out of that! This reminds me that we need a service portal that can federate some how... But that's another thread. Sent from ProtonMail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Sep 27, 2020, 03:25, Jamie Owens wrote:
If you don't want someone to counter your argument, You probably shouldn't have added it in the first place. Have a great day!
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 1:08 AM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
I did not say HamWan had such a list. The idea of "list" seems out of touch with the type of FCC regulatory language we have. I referred to Part 97, etc that is the overall basis for amateur radio to exist. "having fun" is not explicit in the mission and purpose. Perhaps kiddie TV cartoons and Laurel and Hardy re-runs should also be archived and regularly shown. That would be part of the "having fun" list of things, wouldn't it? I think we completely disagree and I'm not interested in debating this further.
-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Owens Sent: Sep 27, 2020 2:35 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Chuck, I don't recall reading a list of things you CANNOT use HamWAN for. Only that you cannot use encryption. If they set limits on the internet in the early days we would not be where we are now. Cannot restrict everything and expect any sort of good development to ever happen.
The limits re:encryption are as far as it should go, other than blatant abuse such as downloading massive amounts or doing other things that affect the performance of the network I do not see how there is any harm in trying to see the usefulness of the network while having a little fun.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 10:46 PM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gaming (ie, pure diversion) sounds contrary to letter and spirit of the FCC authorizations for amateur service.
I prefer that such things become specific prohibitions and maybe even punishable offenses since they can jeopardize our having any privileges. There is no political up side for diversionary gaming. If games were an explicit part of experimentation to improve bandwidth and reduce latency, AND data was both collected and reported in a useful manner, THEN games may be OK.
Chuck K4TZO
-----Original Message----- From: Bart Kus Sent: Sep 27, 2020 1:08 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Hello,
I've come to realize that games seem compatible with Part 97. So let's run a test of this on HamWAN. I've setup a Minecraft Bedrock server on "minecraft.hamwan.net" port 19133. The world has been initiated from the seed "HamWAN". :) If you'd like to build some ham radio related world, please join and have a go. I expect many antennas!
I've set the game rules to pvp=off (no hitting each other), and showcoordinates=true (so people can find each other).
I'd like to hear reports of how the gaming experience is over HamWAN, so access to the server is limited to ARDC addresses only. That is, you've gotta be connecting from 44.0.0.0/9 or 44.128.0.0/10 address space.
Have fun! And remember, [don't dig down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQclHtsEE8).
--Bart
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"How to destroy joy, discourage participation, and criminalize everything" On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 1:08 AM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
I did not say HamWan had such a list. The idea of "list" seems out of touch with the type of FCC regulatory language we have. I referred to Part 97, etc that is the overall basis for amateur radio to exist. "having fun" is not explicit in the mission and purpose. Perhaps kiddie TV cartoons and Laurel and Hardy re-runs should also be archived and regularly shown. That would be part of the "having fun" list of things, wouldn't it? I think we completely disagree and I'm not interested in debating this further.
-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Owens Sent: Sep 27, 2020 2:35 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Chuck, I don't recall reading a list of things you CANNOT use HamWAN for. Only that you cannot use encryption. If they set limits on the internet in the early days we would not be where we are now. Cannot restrict everything and expect any sort of good development to ever happen.
The limits re:encryption are as far as it should go, other than blatant abuse such as downloading massive amounts or doing other things that affect the performance of the network I do not see how there is any harm in trying to see the usefulness of the network while having a little fun.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 10:46 PM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gaming (ie, pure diversion) sounds contrary to letter and spirit of the FCC authorizations for amateur service.
I prefer that such things become specific prohibitions and maybe even punishable offenses since they can jeopardize our having any privileges. There is no political up side for diversionary gaming. If games were an explicit part of experimentation to improve bandwidth and reduce latency, AND data was both collected and reported in a useful manner, THEN games may be OK.
Chuck K4TZO
-----Original Message----- From: Bart Kus Sent: Sep 27, 2020 1:08 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Hello,
I've come to realize that games seem compatible with Part 97. So let's run a test of this on HamWAN. I've setup a Minecraft Bedrock server on " minecraft.hamwan.net" port 19133. The world has been initiated from the seed "HamWAN". :) If you'd like to build some ham radio related world, please join and have a go. I expect many antennas!
I've set the game rules to pvp=off (no hitting each other), and showcoordinates=true (so people can find each other).
I'd like to hear reports of how the gaming experience is over HamWAN, so access to the server is limited to ARDC addresses only. That is, you've gotta be connecting from 44.0.0.0/9 or 44.128.0.0/10 address space.
Have fun! And remember, don't dig down <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQclHtsEE8>.
--Bart
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-- Thanks, Jamie Owens
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Exactly Benjamin lol On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:23 AM Benjamin Krueger <ben.krueger@gmail.com> wrote:
"How to destroy joy, discourage participation, and criminalize everything"
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 1:08 AM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
I did not say HamWan had such a list. The idea of "list" seems out of touch with the type of FCC regulatory language we have. I referred to Part 97, etc that is the overall basis for amateur radio to exist. "having fun" is not explicit in the mission and purpose. Perhaps kiddie TV cartoons and Laurel and Hardy re-runs should also be archived and regularly shown. That would be part of the "having fun" list of things, wouldn't it? I think we completely disagree and I'm not interested in debating this further.
-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Owens Sent: Sep 27, 2020 2:35 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Chuck, I don't recall reading a list of things you CANNOT use HamWAN for. Only that you cannot use encryption. If they set limits on the internet in the early days we would not be where we are now. Cannot restrict everything and expect any sort of good development to ever happen.
The limits re:encryption are as far as it should go, other than blatant abuse such as downloading massive amounts or doing other things that affect the performance of the network I do not see how there is any harm in trying to see the usefulness of the network while having a little fun.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 10:46 PM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gaming (ie, pure diversion) sounds contrary to letter and spirit of the FCC authorizations for amateur service.
I prefer that such things become specific prohibitions and maybe even punishable offenses since they can jeopardize our having any privileges. There is no political up side for diversionary gaming. If games were an explicit part of experimentation to improve bandwidth and reduce latency, AND data was both collected and reported in a useful manner, THEN games may be OK.
Chuck K4TZO
-----Original Message----- From: Bart Kus Sent: Sep 27, 2020 1:08 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Hello,
I've come to realize that games seem compatible with Part 97. So let's run a test of this on HamWAN. I've setup a Minecraft Bedrock server on " minecraft.hamwan.net" port 19133. The world has been initiated from the seed "HamWAN". :) If you'd like to build some ham radio related world, please join and have a go. I expect many antennas!
I've set the game rules to pvp=off (no hitting each other), and showcoordinates=true (so people can find each other).
I'd like to hear reports of how the gaming experience is over HamWAN, so access to the server is limited to ARDC addresses only. That is, you've gotta be connecting from 44.0.0.0/9 or 44.128.0.0/10 address space.
Have fun! And remember, don't dig down <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQclHtsEE8>.
--Bart
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-- Thanks, Jamie Owens
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Hello, Thanks Bart! I hope this will get my daughter to show at least some interest in what ham radio can do. She loves to play minecraft and if I can get this working on our end maybe she will be a bit more inquisitive when it comes to ham radio. (Especially after I tell her, time connected to "HAMcraft" doesn't count against her "allotment".) I just hope that our local version of HamWAN (MI6WAN https://w8cmn.net/mi6wan/) doesn't ban this kind of thing. It is virtually identical to HamWAN but not "certified" because they use different frequency standards. Anyway, thanks again. I'm looking forward to giving this a try this weekend. 73, Mike K8AVJ On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:29 AM Jamie Owens <jlowens76@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly Benjamin lol
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:23 AM Benjamin Krueger <ben.krueger@gmail.com> wrote:
"How to destroy joy, discourage participation, and criminalize everything"
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 1:08 AM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
I did not say HamWan had such a list. The idea of "list" seems out of touch with the type of FCC regulatory language we have. I referred to Part 97, etc that is the overall basis for amateur radio to exist. "having fun" is not explicit in the mission and purpose. Perhaps kiddie TV cartoons and Laurel and Hardy re-runs should also be archived and regularly shown. That would be part of the "having fun" list of things, wouldn't it? I think we completely disagree and I'm not interested in debating this further.
-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Owens Sent: Sep 27, 2020 2:35 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Chuck, I don't recall reading a list of things you CANNOT use HamWAN for. Only that you cannot use encryption. If they set limits on the internet in the early days we would not be where we are now. Cannot restrict everything and expect any sort of good development to ever happen.
The limits re:encryption are as far as it should go, other than blatant abuse such as downloading massive amounts or doing other things that affect the performance of the network I do not see how there is any harm in trying to see the usefulness of the network while having a little fun.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 10:46 PM Chuck Cole <cncole@earthlink.net> wrote:
Gaming (ie, pure diversion) sounds contrary to letter and spirit of the FCC authorizations for amateur service.
I prefer that such things become specific prohibitions and maybe even punishable offenses since they can jeopardize our having any privileges. There is no political up side for diversionary gaming. If games were an explicit part of experimentation to improve bandwidth and reduce latency, AND data was both collected and reported in a useful manner, THEN games may be OK.
Chuck K4TZO
-----Original Message----- From: Bart Kus Sent: Sep 27, 2020 1:08 AM To: Puget Sound Data Ring Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] HamWAN Minecraft?
Hello,
I've come to realize that games seem compatible with Part 97. So let's run a test of this on HamWAN. I've setup a Minecraft Bedrock server on " minecraft.hamwan.net" port 19133. The world has been initiated from the seed "HamWAN". :) If you'd like to build some ham radio related world, please join and have a go. I expect many antennas!
I've set the game rules to pvp=off (no hitting each other), and showcoordinates=true (so people can find each other).
I'd like to hear reports of how the gaming experience is over HamWAN, so access to the server is limited to ARDC addresses only. That is, you've gotta be connecting from 44.0.0.0/9 or 44.128.0.0/10 address space.
Have fun! And remember, don't dig down <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQclHtsEE8>.
--Bart
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On 9/27/20 4:08 AM, Chuck Cole wrote:
Um Chuck, why do you keep sending empty emails? I checked the archives and your emails are blank there too: http://mail.hamwan.net/pipermail/psdr/2020-September/003209.html 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
It's mixed multipart HTML formatted. Thunderbird shouldn't have a problem with that? http://mail.hamwan.org/pipermail/psdr/2020-September/003206.html On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:37 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 9/27/20 4:08 AM, Chuck Cole wrote:
Um Chuck, why do you keep sending empty emails?
I checked the archives and your emails are blank there too:
http://mail.hamwan.net/pipermail/psdr/2020-September/003209.html
73's -- Bryan Fields
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On 9/28/20 11:52 AM, Benjamin Krueger wrote:
It's mixed multipart HTML formatted. Thunderbird shouldn't have a problem with that?
http://mail.hamwan.org/pipermail/psdr/2020-September/003206.html
I can only see his text in quotes in replies. He's violating the RFC for multipart mime as he's not sending a text/plain part that normal users can read. Can we boot this chucklefuck back to aol? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Usenet or bust Dakota On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:08 Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 9/28/20 11:52 AM, Benjamin Krueger wrote:
It's mixed multipart HTML formatted. Thunderbird shouldn't have a problem
with that?
http://mail.hamwan.org/pipermail/psdr/2020-September/003206.html
I can only see his text in quotes in replies. He's violating the RFC for
multipart mime as he's not sending a text/plain part that normal users can read.
Can we boot this chucklefuck back to aol?
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727-409-1194 - Voice
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No need to be mean. Besides, he's already on Earthlink. Isn't that punishment enough? On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:12 AM Dakota Nelson <dakota.w.nelson@gmail.com> wrote:
Usenet or bust
Dakota
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:08 Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 9/28/20 11:52 AM, Benjamin Krueger wrote:
It's mixed multipart HTML formatted. Thunderbird shouldn't have a problem
with that?
http://mail.hamwan.org/pipermail/psdr/2020-September/003206.html
I can only see his text in quotes in replies. He's violating the RFC for
multipart mime as he's not sending a text/plain part that normal users can read.
Can we boot this chucklefuck back to aol?
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
_______________________________________________
PSDR mailing list
PSDR@hamwan.org
http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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😂😂😂 On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:35 AM Benjamin Krueger <ben.krueger@gmail.com> wrote:
No need to be mean. Besides, he's already on Earthlink. Isn't that punishment enough?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:12 AM Dakota Nelson <dakota.w.nelson@gmail.com> wrote:
Usenet or bust
Dakota
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:08 Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 9/28/20 11:52 AM, Benjamin Krueger wrote:
It's mixed multipart HTML formatted. Thunderbird shouldn't have a problem
with that?
http://mail.hamwan.org/pipermail/psdr/2020-September/003206.html
I can only see his text in quotes in replies. He's violating the RFC for
multipart mime as he's not sending a text/plain part that normal users can read.
Can we boot this chucklefuck back to aol?
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
_______________________________________________
PSDR mailing list
PSDR@hamwan.org
http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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